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Very Important Dynamis/Relic Upgrade Question!
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Author:  Valisk [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Very Important Dynamis/Relic Upgrade Question!
Now I know this should be under the Dynamis Chat board, but that board doesn't get much publicity seeing how the last post was Jan. 19th... Anyway I was reading Melo's "What's the next logical answer" post and I was reading how you need (62) 100 currency to pay for the commision fee for 3rd upgrade.

Now my question to you all, is that if someone pays 1 mil, for an entire raid, would you guys be willing to let that person lot and win ALL single currency that drops?

I mean think about it... Most single currency is only sold to pay for the raid the player went on right? So if you eliminate the cost factor, most ppl won't mind if they don't get any singles.

Now ofcourse you have those that are actually saving singles. What if the person that funded the raid agrees not to lot on anything. No currency, no AF2, nothing but singles. That would free up a currency lot and possibly satisfy those who save singles. Approximately 300+ singles drop per raid right? So that's (3) 100 currencies for only 1 mil. I figure it would take 20 raids (20 mil) to get (62) 100 currencies if you get 300+ singles per raid.

So what do you think? Will people give up singles for a free of charge raid? I need feedback and input, both positive and negative criticism welcome. This is very important to me and maybe a shortcut to quicker upgraded relics!
Author:  Yarr [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:54 pm ]
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Right now Im not too fond of this idea. Simply because not all jobs get AF2 in the starter cites. That means like three jobs will be going for no reason at all. Theres no much motivation to go if you cant even lot on currency. I mean sure you can go for fun, but really theres no point when you have done like 30+ raids as some Cheeseburger players have done.

Also, if I did allow this alot of people would want to "pay for" the raids. Im sure there would be a line up of people.

The only time I would do this is if it was a CKD player who wanted to pay the mil. Even then I think we would do CKD only with invite only people.

Lets face it, you could get like 150-200 coins 1+ 100 pieces. That right there is a value more than 1 mill. So I would really need to be convinced that the player was doing this for an upgrade and not profit later on down the road.

Anyway feel free to message me in dynamis with questions.
Author:  Phone [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:05 pm ]
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Or you could stop seeing it as wasting peoples time but helping someone out?

Sure there might not be much motivation for CERTAIN JOBS to go for loot, but Dynamis raids can be fun, and if you're really playing to game to play the game, and not just so you can get more stuff, then it shouldn't be a problem.

I personally love the idea, and I think it's the most realistic way to get relic upgrades that I've heard of.
Author:  Rubyxiii [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:10 pm ]
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this is a post i made from the private sections of ckd forum, something to think about:


Rubyxiii wrote:
i dont think its a bad idea to throw it out as a public raid with the disclaimer no lotting on any currency, the problem is getting people outside the ls to help on raids that af doesnt drop for them. every class in the game has 1 dynamis that no af2 drops for them (everyone has af2 in dyna B and X, but well get alot more currency in a city), if its a publlic raid we should try to do something thats going to encourage essential classes to come.

dynamis windurst has no af2 for: MNK RDM BRD DRG
dynamis sand has no af2 for: BLM THF DRK SAM
dynamis Bastok has no af2 for: WAR WHM RNG NIN
dynamis Jueno has no af2 for: PLD BST SMN

the 4 most essential classes imo for dynamis is RDM BLM WHM PLD, and we get kinda screwed since there af2 that dont drop are all in separate dynamis ;\
Author:  Valisk [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:13 pm ]
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I thought singles weren't lotted Yarr? I mean like those who don't have AF in starter cities could lot 100's. I mean if u pay for the raid you get all the singles and don't lot 100's. Oh and the profit factor is understandable. I agree the person must prove to you that he is indeed upgrading and not profiting. But my idea was for the person funding the raid, to get all singles and NOT lot on the 100's.
Author:  Rubyxiii [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:16 pm ]
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giving lot rights to 100 bills only to the jobs that no af2 drops for is probably the only fix to this situation. i myself think it would be nice just to see someone with fully upgraded relic, it would take alot of raids like this to get enough currency for it though heh
Author:  Lazyazn [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:21 pm ]
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heh the preson dont really lose any money themselfs if~ they just sell 1m of the bills and keep xtra... where the heck you gonna get that many ppl to help? ><;
Author:  Chanalix [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 6:42 pm ]
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I don't think many people are attending dynamis for the chance to lot on single currency except those specifically interested in upgrading their weapons. Most people look at the currency drops as a way to offset the cost of attending the raid. If it were free to attend the raid, there are no costs to offset.

However, for those that still want to lot of stuff, there are materials that drop in all the regions that could be free to lot. And for those that don't have AF to lot on (because they already have AF from that region, or because it doesn't drop there) having the 100 pieces available to lot as well gives them additional incentive to come.

I do sympathize with Yarr as how he would pick who got to host raids and when. A decision I'm glad I don't have to make ;).

A raid like this is also more conducive to straight out farming, both for currency and for AF, so I imagine a lot of people who still need their AF from starter cities would see benefit to it as well.

A mix of traditional and hosted raids would allow those who aren't in CKD to have access to single currenices for their own upgrades from the unhosted raids (whether they win the lots or buy them off people who do).

Personally though, I have no issues with going on a raid where someone who wants to upgrade a weapon gets all the single currency, whether they are in my LS or not.
Author:  Lyndis [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:09 pm ]
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This is a concept that works on poorly attended Dynamis raids. A cheeseburger raid is rarely more than 20k, but certainly there are others where maybe only 30-40 people come, and the buy-in rate is 30-40k, way more than what, I feel anyways, that Dynamis is worth. However, someone may be willing to put up the cash for the ability to get the bills. I've only done one of these types of raids, but even when it wasnt the best one (lots of first timers, which = death even in Bastok), and they still made their 1mil back and then some.

Now, would I be willing to do a Cheeseburger raid under these rules? Well, let's say Melo, who we know is working on his weapon, wants to put the money up. Would I go, even to a Bastok raid that is right now meaningless to me? Yeah, because I want to see a NA with a fully upgraded weapon one day. But, im sure plenty of others wouldnt since Dynamis is a lot of death, even in the basic cities and while it may sound greedy, doing Dynamis without the prospects for anything isnt really fun. Dynamis is kinda like Christmas; you hope you get the present you want, and not a big fat lump of death.
Author:  Valisk [ Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:21 pm ]
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Ok, well how about no one is allowed to exercise this option until they are done with the first 2 stages. After you pay (4) 100 currencies for the 1st stage and (14) 100 currencies for the second, I think that is proof enough that they are really determined to upgrade. If we allow this after the 3rd stage, then it would take about 20 mil (20 raids) plus the Atts. To get past that stage. I think this is a great idea to help those who are really determined to get relics. Just something to think about. I know Melo and Littlejohn are semi close to stage 3. I also don't mind going on raids where all singles go to one person. Also as Ruby said earlier, there will always be a drive to go if those who don't have AF in the starter cities (or already have it) can lot on 100 pieces. Also can someone post the names of those who are in stage 2 and possibly candidates for this idea when they get to stage 3?
Author:  Severus [ Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:31 am ]
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Yarr wrote:
The only time I would do this is if it was a CKD player who wanted to pay the mil. Even then I think we would do CKD only with invite only people.


I think this is an awesome idea. And it can also show who is going on raids to be a "loot whore." People help people for all sorts of things, this should be another one of those situations.
Author:  Valisk [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:45 am ]
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May I ask who in CKD is close to Stage 3 of Relics? So I can have an idea of who would be the most likely 1st candidate if Yarr decides to exercise this option.
Author:  Vaelen [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:23 am ]
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Relic-1 is dropped in Dynamis.
Relic-2 is 400-600 currency to upgrade.
Relic-3 is 1400-1600 currency to upgrade.
Relic-4 requires attestation to upgrade.
Relic-5 you just check some spot in an area (not sure if an NM pops or something, doesn't seem like it would be totally easy).
As far as I know, only relic-2 and relic-3 require currency to upgrade.

This idea can be good, but I know people who are already half way to Relic-3. It's not so bad if you just farm the money. Since theres a 72 hour delay on re-entry into Dynamis, kind of makes it a pain. I know people Love Cheeseburgers for their success and they usually want to go for AF2 and key items. I'm sure they would lose a lot of people, but knowing how many people in total attend Cheeseburgers raid, could successfully pull one off without a problem.
Author:  Ketrebu [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:45 am ]
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The final upgrade requires you to obtain an item dropped from a weapon NM (relative to your weapon) in Dynamis-Xarcabard. These NMs pop after Ying and Yang been defeated. They are known as "Animated X" and "Satellite X", where X is the weapon type.

Defeating Satellite Sword (Note, this is a "Weapon NM", not like the funny round monsters, but an actual floating weapon) will drop a "Holy Egg" (not sure if that's the item's real name) which you then go trade to a ??? in Dragon's Aery, along with the Level 4 Relic sword, to obtain Excalibur.
Author:  Valisk [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:44 pm ]
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According to a few meaasge boards and screen shots, after you trade the gob an attestation, he asks for (62) 100 currencies... Now I haven't personally seen the screen shots, but check melo's post about it and you will see that the gob asks for (62) 100 currencies.
Author:  Rubyxiii [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:14 pm ]
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if you have to kill yin and yang to make the weapons pop thats an enormous ordeal
Author:  Vanish [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:36 pm ]
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that's why all of the weapons suck irl
Author:  squintz [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:06 pm ]
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does anyone have a fully upgraded weapon?
Author:  Valisk [ Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:36 pm ]
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No Squintz but there are a few that are close. I believe that when you reach the third stage. You are allowed to use a Dynamis Only Weapon Skill. The WS for a one-handed sword is called Knights of the Round. I know a player who is close to the third stage and I am anxious to see what kind of DMG that WS can actually do. It better be one hell of a WS since it is so damn hard to get. I think that the WS wont have its full power potential until the relic is fully upgraded though. But to answer your question, no one on Ifrit has a fully upgraded Relic or on any other server for that matter. (I think) >.>
Author:  Rubyxiii [ Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:38 am ]
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i seriously doubt noone on any server has any weapon upgraded this long since dynamis has been out heh
Author:  Vaelen [ Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:47 am ]
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Damn, I didn't realize you needed so many bills for Relic-4... let's hope the Relic-5 isn't actually 256 x100 coins o_O that would be horrible.
And yeah, I highly doubt anyone has the upgrade to their fullest yet lol

And for the record, you don't get to the use the weapon skill until Relic-4, and that's inside Dynamis onry. Once you unlock Relic-5 you're allowed to use the weapon skill inside and outside of Dynamis.
Author:  Truhls [ Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:13 am ]
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Ask Griffis, he is jpn, but has been very helpful/kind to me in the past, and has fully upgraded relic gun for his RNG.
Author:  Yarr [ Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:36 am ]
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No one on any server has a fully upgraded weapon. Its just not possible right now. People getting Relic Level 4 is brand new. These are the first screen shots as proof of level 4.

If anyone else had it upgraded to 4 we whould have heard about it.
Author:  Jongkrut [ Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:04 pm ]
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The only ppls that i heard of are Griffis with annihilator and michiwo
Author:  Aleks [ Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:24 pm ]
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Ketrebu wrote:
The final upgrade requires you to obtain an item dropped from a weapon NM (relative to your weapon) in Dynamis-Xarcabard. These NMs pop after Ying and Yang been defeated. They are known as "Animated X" and "Satellite X", where X is the weapon type.

Defeating Satellite Sword (Note, this is a "Weapon NM", not like the funny round monsters, but an actual floating weapon) will drop a "Holy Egg" (not sure if that's the item's real name) which you then go trade to a ??? in Dragon's Aery, along with the Level 4 Relic sword, to obtain Excalibur.



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That should clear this up for those who are confoozled.
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