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Author:  Omnus [ Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  STR VS Attack
ok im just aiming to max out my damage as much as possible. I know that Str is mainly for ws booster (is drk/thf) but i was wondering which should i use. Enkelados Bracelets which have STR+7 but dex -4 or Terasque Mitts+1 which have +12 attack.

Id like to here everyones opinions on this and some hard core testing info if possible. I've heard from some people i should use one and from others i should use the other. i would like to finally know what i should use to maximize my damage output.

Also would anyone enlighten me on how much each higher level drk ws is based on str and int would be very helpful (ground strike, spinning slash, and spiral hell)

Thank you everyone
Author:  Arim [ Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:58 pm ]
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What mikola told me

Str is how high the ceiling is

Attack is how high you jump.


so to gain max damage you have to balance it all, but im not a melee DD to know so yea.
Author:  untouchable [ Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:49 pm ]
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your 70+ drk and u dont know str/atk mechanics? >_______>

general rule of thumb is attack for normal hits, str for ws

http://klin304.homestead.com/files/FFXI ... isdata.htm
ws damage factors

Quote:
Great Sword WS 100% 200% 300% #Hits Secondary Attribute TP Adjustment
Hard Slash 1.50 1.75 2.00 1x STR_30% fTP Modifier
Power Slash 1.00 1x STR_20%, VIT_20% Critical Rate (Crits 2x Dam.)
Shockwave* 1.00 1x STR_30%, MND_30% Longer sleep
Crescent Moon 1.00 1.75 2.50 1x STR_35% fTP Modifier
Sickle Moon 1.50 2.00 2.75 2x STR_20%, AGI_20% fTP Modifier
Spinning Slash 2.50 3.00 3.50 1x STR_30%, INT_30% fTP Modifier
Ground Strike 1.50 1.75 3.00 1x STR_50%, INT_50% fTP Modifier
*Note that Shockwave is an area attack, it pans out in a wedge shape in front of the user and also has a
fTP Modifier of 1.50 against the additional mobs it hits besides 1.00 fTP Modifier against the currently
targeted mob. It is possible to use Shockwave to Sleep linking mobs.

Scythe WS 100% 200% 300% #Hits Secondary Attribute TP Adjustment
Slice 1.50 1.75 2.00 1x STR_30% fTP Modifier
Nightmare Scythe 1.00 1x MND_30% Longer Blind
Spinning Scythe 1.00 1x STR_30% Attack Radius
Vorpal Scythe 1.00 1x STR_35% Critical Rate (Crits 3x Dam.)
Guillotine 0.875 4x STR_25%, MND_25% Longer Silence
Cross Reaper 2.00 2.25 2.50 2x STR_30%, MND_30% fTP Modifier
Spiral Hell 1.375 1.875 3.625 1x STR_50%, INT_50% fTP Modifier
Author:  Dmitry [ Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: STR VS Attack
Omnus wrote:
ok im just aiming to max out my damage as much as possible.

Omnus wrote:
(is drk/thf)


Sub warrior
Author:  Omnus [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:11 am ]
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i do know the majority of the mechanics, but couldnt find a harcore faq sheet of them. i was mostly asking for others opinions. i am not that much of a tard
Author:  Omnus [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:13 am ]
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and btw thank you thats what i was looking for
Author:  Kaylia [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:01 am ]
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Str vs atk is more complicate than that :) There is no perfect gear setup since it change for every mob, food or pt setup (rng debuff, brd, dia...etc).

Since you don't know the monster def, the only way to know which one benefit the most is to use a parser and look at your average damage per hit with both. I know for exemple on weapons in the Shrine, my dmg was increased by about 0.5dmg per str points. I don't know exactly how much dmg +atk would have done in that case, but I'm pretty sure it wouldnt be anywhere close to that.


General rule I was using while xping

- Keep acc above 80% at any cost. After that, benefit from acc bonus starts decreasing. If you're spamming guillotine or any other multi hit ws, dont take off str/atk gear unless you can land every hit almost all the time

-Before 75, you probably want as much attack as you can on xp mobs (or anything above T). Unless you have a brd and someone is decreasing the monster's def, chance is benefit from atk is a lot better than str.

-After 75 in merit party, if you are dual wielding, str is almost always better. I'm not sure however for 2hand weapon since atkinfluence the average dmg between the "min" and "max". Since the range is wider, you might benefit more from atk but it's probably not always the case


You should download the parser from that link and do the test yourself. It's the only way to find which gear is better in a particular situation.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~Spyle/FFXI/ffxi.html


Oh, and go drk/war =p drk/thf is overated.
Author:  Xiona [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:04 am ]
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depends actually on your race and total +str and total attack what you should do.

i wouldnt worry an ass load about adding a shit load of att gear. focus on adding str really. food adds att and helps balance so thats another factor. few att pieces are good, then use str gear for the rest, like alky bracelets and shit. especially against higher lv stuff... a deco weap pt you can get away with no str and a bigillion attack because theyre low VT and have lower VIT. but aura statues and HNM you want str to counter the mobs high vit. youll already have high attack anyways so its not hard to balance unless youre a taru.

taru you need to pile on (and i mean pile) str. but what i see on my ninja is the more str i add the more dmg i do on higher tier mobs. anything tough and lower i can lay off str and use att gear. but once i need to pit my base 58 str on VT+ i end up having to take off the attack shit and use whatever str i can get. youll want 20-30 acc, use attack food, and use str gear (if youre using heca then macro only omg)
Author:  Omnus [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:25 am ]
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very helpful :) thank you guys for the help ^^
Author:  Kaylia [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:11 am ]
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It's not as easy Xio . Slow weapon with high damage doesnt react the same to atk/str increase. Also, you are talking about party with brd, when it's not always the case :)
Author:  Xiona [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:02 am ]
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na im talking about being a taru ninja haha. other races need to do diff shit than i do. i mean ilms nin has like 70 base str and mine has 58. leaves a diff balancing i gotta do haha
Author:  Galindar [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:05 am ]
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58 base str? Ouch.
Author:  Runefury [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:26 pm ]
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Screw STR/ATTK! Go with DEX like Kayne!
Author:  Metalmilitia [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:25 pm ]
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70 base STR on WAR at 65....glad I didn't go Taru I would kill myself.
Author:  Kaylia [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:47 pm ]
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Metalmilitia wrote:
70 base STR on WAR at 65....glad I didn't go Taru I would kill myself.



The world will end the day you hit 75 on a 2nd job. :) I regret not sending you my war gear, wasnt expecting you to level that fast.
Author:  Metalmilitia [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:58 pm ]
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omg, log on and send it to me irl
Author:  Deman [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:04 am ]
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74 base STR as a 64 war... Elvann is hawtness!
Author:  Chamelius [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:36 am ]
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I have 60 base STR as a 67 RDM....sad-sad tarutaru.
Author:  Metalmilitia [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:51 am ]
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Deman wrote:
74 base STR as a 64 war... Elvann is hawtness!

and 23 DEX and 20 AGI.... SWEETNESS
Author:  Whisp [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:18 pm ]
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i played this game a lot but never really understood str or atk. the only thing i knew was that minuet made my parties kill shit faster
Author:  Arim [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:01 pm ]
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Whisp wrote:
i played this game a lot but never really understood str or atk. the only thing i knew was that minuet made my parties kill shit faster


and in the end, thats all that matters
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