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| Author: | Asheress [ Sat May 27, 2006 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Darklunacy 5/5Valor S.Ring S.Mantle |
Thats right, Darklunacy > everyone ^^ Congratulations bish! :P 
Make us in LJ Dynamis proud! I think this should make DL the 1st NA on our server w/ both S.mantle and S.ring w/ 5/5Valor. http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9774/dlmantle6oz.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1095/dlring6oq.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6320/dlvalor7ht.jpg Editted cos pics were ginormous >_> Sorry 56k ppl/. |
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| Author: | Dmitry [ Sat May 27, 2006 10:36 pm ] |
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Did anyone lot against him for those or was he just handed it all first? |
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| Author: | Asheress [ Sat May 27, 2006 10:39 pm ] |
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Tier system, DL earned the privilege and honor to lot both items, tho they did not drop back to back. |
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| Author: | Diotrephes [ Sat May 27, 2006 10:57 pm ] |
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hmm.. grats i guess i dont really like the fact that he got both items though lol |
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| Author: | Balidorn [ Sat May 27, 2006 11:48 pm ] |
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Diotrephes wrote: hmm.. grats i guess
i dont really like the fact that he got both items though lol Actually we had both ring and mantle drop 2 dy lords ago and we coulda given him both since he was first priority on both, but because of the dual drop we only allowed him 1 so he took the mantle and the ring went to kalade. Being this was a whole new run it is treated as such. And as asheress said, we are a tier based program. DL has been with LJ since the program was started originally under Tiothiel over a year and a half ago. Additionally, because he is an extremely active raider (always was from day 1) he has maintained his position in our tiers since we started the system in january of this year. Aferall, what is the point in awarding a shadow piece (or any af2 for that matter) to somebody who only comes part of the time or is new to the raids and hasn't earned the right yet to lot it? Had either item gone to somebody who rarely comes to raids or hadn't earned their shot at it then we would not be benefiting the linkshell now would we. It would just be an individual's trophy. Asheress said it best saying that he has earned the right and privelage to finally obtain both items. |
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| Author: | Tilo [ Sun May 28, 2006 12:06 am ] |
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That's pretty cool. Kalade seems like a nice guy so I'm sure he deserved them. Congrats and stuff. |
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| Author: | Ultimaj [ Sun May 28, 2006 1:11 am ] |
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lol ffxi lol dynamis |
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| Author: | squintz [ Sun May 28, 2006 3:09 am ] |
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That ring is horrible. Go throw it in a volcano. |
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| Author: | Tilo [ Sun May 28, 2006 3:10 am ] |
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Not if you tank wyrms. |
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| Author: | Kaylia [ Sun May 28, 2006 3:58 am ] |
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Is Yarr going to delete that thread liked he used to. That's what happened to every other DL thread here 
Grats on the kill and drop! |
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| Author: | DeadLegend [ Sun May 28, 2006 4:07 am ] |
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Pretty damn cool. and wtf the ring kicks ass, Kalade has mentioned it stopping magic about 25% of the time, and he's taken 0 dmg from shit like Kirin astral flows lol. Dmitry wrote: Did anyone lot against him for those or was he just handed it all first?
Nothing gets handed to anybody in an attendance based system. You get what you earn, and it can take months or years of non-stop camping/raiding for endless hours in the day. So if you think being first on a tier/attendance list is "being handed" the item, you have a problem. |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Sun May 28, 2006 6:09 am ] |
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Kaylia wrote: Is Yarr going to delete that thread liked he used to. That's what happened to every other DL thread here
Grats on the kill and drop! Kaylia, I thought you got the hint. I mean you didnt post here for so long I kind of figured you got the idea. anyway 1) I dont care what people post here anymore. My feelings are fully reflected in UltimaJ's post. 2) This isnt an accomplishment. God Ketrebu would have had all this ages ago if we just handed people loot too lol. You cant go and brag about getting a full set of something if you had all the set handed to you. lol |
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| Author: | Decimus [ Sun May 28, 2006 8:43 am ] |
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cool...about time LJ Dynamis got a PLD AF2 body drop 
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| Author: | Day [ Sun May 28, 2006 8:46 am ] |
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Had to register just to say this... I fail to see how these items were "just handed to him" ... he earned the right to lot through the teir system, and he deserved everything he has obtained. Someone sounds jealous... How else would he have gotten them without "having them handed to them"? Surely you aren't suggesting the only possible way for him to obtain said items would be to solo DL? Not an accomplishment my ass... |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Sun May 28, 2006 9:14 am ] |
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I could have made up rules in my dynamis and said "hello all whm's I get all next whm drops until I have full AF2 because I work harder than all of you" and had full AF2 before everyone else. Does that mean I earned it more than all the other white mages on my raids? So you see, He may have put the work in but he was handed the items over other people. He didnt 'win' them in the end, he was given them to him. |
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| Author: | Day [ Sun May 28, 2006 9:35 am ] |
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Well I can't say for sure exactly how it went down because I wasn't on this raid, however their teir system doesn't involve having only 1 person in the first tier. Bali allready mentioned the time when they both dropped Dark didn't lot on both of them. Also its not like this will be the last DL that is killed by LJ. /drops.jpg)
As far as the AF2, when you start you are on bottom tier, perfect attendance for a set of runs, and you move up one and so on... If you are in the first teir it's because out of everyone who is that job, you have put in the most work. It's a damn good system, which rewards those who deserve it. Things are in no way "handed" to anyone. I'm still failing to see how this would be more of an accomplishment had others lotted and he "won" the lot... |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Sun May 28, 2006 9:39 am ] |
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Sounds like you dont have a clue what youre talking about. |
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| Author: | Day [ Sun May 28, 2006 9:41 am ] |
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You are right, I don't. Don't bother arguing with me, I'm an idiot, all my points are null and void. |
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| Author: | Elvren [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:03 am ] |
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 this site can still make a little bit of a drama-ish sort of thing out of anything
anyway.. yes i can see your point of it "being handed to him". but the system rewards those who have put in a lot of effort. its not a good thing to see some new person come in, get the af2 they need in a raid or 2, then leave. especially when there have been others in the group for a long time. anyway.. it was a smooth run, got some cool drops, DL died again and a pld got some cool items. Fin. |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:09 am ] |
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The question is how do you "earn" the item. Thats a subjective measurment and I do not count attendance is a way of "earning" an item. |
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| Author: | Day [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:12 am ] |
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This site could use some more drama lol... and I'm seriously bored at work... Anyways, I said what I wanted to say, no sense in trying to argue opinions... Congrats to DL~ Edit: Just curious Yarr, what unit of measurement do you suggest linkshells use to determine if someone has "earned" an item or not. Or are you all for free lots? |
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| Author: | Yarr [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:35 am ] |
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If you were at a CKDynamis private raid then you earned your way there. Everyone should have an equil right to lot on items and putting one person over another is something I do not like to do. I probably could have easily defaulted myself stuff, but I never even suggested it and shot it down when others did. You want to earn that item you keep coming back after you get it. |
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| Author: | DeadLegend [ Sun May 28, 2006 11:03 am ] |
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Yarr wrote: You want to earn that item you keep coming back after you get it.
That's the idea of attendance/seniority system for doing treasure distro. Basically it's a system where you earn the trust by having high attendance, thus proving loyalty to the group. This way you get the items to people who will definitely stay with the group. Obviously any treasure distro leaves a chance for people to get screwed over. A poor decision could lead to an ls losing dalmatica and genie weskit, lol, but I think to make such friggin rare items a more open lot usually doesn't end well, while attendance system would (most of the time) have better results. It can be compared to farming sky pops or camping kings. If some person goes to sky everyday with a group and asks LS to come help get pop nms, and some people refuse to help, those people who refuse shouldn't have a chance at the items dropped by the gods(or shouldn't be able to lot first). If X person decides they want to level their lv50 bard instead of camping Faf/Nid they shouldn't expect to be able to show up and get a hrotti or a ridill or a Nidhogg abj over people who've been camping it every day its timer is in reach. I can see how this seems harsh though and might turn people off from attending. If they see they're low on a list (or w/e) some people might just give up and not bother to attend since "omg I have 9 people in front of me" while others, who are the ones who will deserve items, will say, "ok I am low on the list but I can work my way up and I can help the people above me get theirs first" |
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| Author: | Balidorn [ Sun May 28, 2006 11:21 am ] |
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meh.... I see where your coming from yarr. However, that is banking heavily on somebody to continue to come with you on your raids. With our system it works 2 ways: awards those that have earned the right to lot by consistantly showing up, and it prevents new raiders that are fickle from joining, lotting, then leaving with af2. If people are going to get af2 then leave, they will have to earn it and put in the time with us. That is the point behind the system. Afterall, wouldn't that suck if somebody came in and lotted pld af2 against ket when he got his pld af2 and instead it went to this other person....... Then this other person just up and left your raids. Additionally, I'm willing to bet that when ket and vali got their mantles that they didn't have any competition lotting their shadow items against them......... Am I correct in assuming this? And if so, how is that different from this situation? Aside from the attendance system we have in place, if my assumption is correct, you simply did the same thing we did and gave priority to certain individuals. I'm not trying to attack anybody here. I'm just basically showing that different groups can be successful with different things. CKDy's raids were successful with their system, HH with theirs, Valour with theirs, etc. I have recognized that not everybody likes our tier system and nobody is saying they have to. We use it because all of our members like it and we are successful with it. Anyhow, Darklunacy has earned his items time and time again with our system and we are very proud of him and what he has done for our linkshell. |
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| Author: | Balidorn [ Sun May 28, 2006 11:33 am ] |
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DeadLegend wrote: If they see they're low on a list (or w/e) some people might just give up and not bother to attend since "omg I have 9 people in front of me" while others, who are the ones who will deserve items, will say, "ok I am low on the list but I can work my way up and I can help the people above me get theirs first"
Exactly. Not to single out 1 person because I have many that do this, but I have an individual (joined in February) that when she joined she was like 6 tiers down and behind around 9 total people. After 3 months of attending perfectly she was in tier 1 or 2 in almost every zone with some members that have been with our shell since august of last year. She is where she is now because she has earned the right to be there and to lot against our more tenured members. Now mind you, I also had some members of the same job join at the same time as her that slowly quit within a month. Why? Because they were worried about themselves and not what they could do for the ls to help promote themselves to be where they wanted to be. Like I said in my previous post, our lotting system isn't for everyone. One person may like it and 5 may not. I have come to live with that fact. However, the people that our linkshell wants to attract need to have a particular mindset that we want and our system accomplishes that. |
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