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Ifrit's Riddle
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Author:  Caduceus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Ifrit's Riddle
Many of us have browsed the BG or other linkshell forums on other servers, and have noticed that some servers do exceedingly well. The same, powerhouse linkshell kills wyrms over and over again with as low as 18-20 people without the help of SMN spammage. Linkshells like IRON have quite literally farmed the Dynamis lord for capes, rinngs, and currency, while Ifrit has only seen NAs slaughter him, what? Four times? In between CKDynamis's two kills, and IF's kill (Added Ifrit linkshell DL kills LJ/MPK:6 TTK:1). In another area of Dynamis, only a handful of TTK members have access to Dynamis-Tavnazia. Also these same servers with linkshells like IRON and BG have several relic weapons on NA players while other servers, like Ifrit, have none. CoP's "sea" is another area of vast difference between servers. Jailer of Love has been killed once by NA on Ifrit, while, on other servers it was being popped and farmed even before the nerf patch made JoL killable. It was only a matter of luck that Ifrit has seen Absolute Virtue. On other servers many JP, NA, and HK players worked together in varying degrees while on other servers, like Ifrit, things have remained pretty polarzied; Ganamena comes to mind. There's even been a difference in RMT activity. Some linkshells have payed RMT to mercenary kill the Jailer of Love, so the difference doesn't just include the power of a few biggest server linkshells.

So, guys, what the hell happened? I have my own ideas, but I'm really curious as to what you think set Ifrit back into the stone age while other servers were cutting through wyrms like a Ford assembly line.

Was it a matter of dedication? Politics? Drama? Economy? Population? Or maybe a little bit of everything?
Author:  Remey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:11 am ]
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Simple ... Ifrit is Lazy. :P

NAs, JPs, HKs, Euros are all lazy on Ifrit.
Author:  Mikey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:27 am ]
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Blame yarr
Author:  DeadLegend [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:33 am ]
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Remey wrote:
Simple ... Ifrit is Lazy. :P

NAs, JPs, HKs, Euros are all lazy on Ifrit.


and spiteful

Our server should be called Tonberry, because here, the bonds of resentment are old and strong.
Author:  Mandos [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:34 am ]
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Mikey wrote:
Blame yarr
Author:  Eternus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:49 am ]
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Ifrit is full of lazy people and also those who would rather xp/merit than do end game. Also Ifrit is stock full of jealous "player haters" as well. The JPs on Ifrit are also inexplicably slow as hell when it comes to sea and wyrms. Ifrit did have the SMN LS farming Wyrms, but it was lame ass SMNs lol... the only thing that would have been lamer would be BSTs. Zerging a mob with 18-25 people playing just one or two jobs is really fucking horrible.
Author:  Caduceus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:55 am ]
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Yeah but the fact that "people are lazy" would only plague Ifrit seems a little crazy.

Would that make it a leadership problem then or did somehow Ifrit break all satistical odds and get the most apathetic people to play 100+ days worth of playtime to reach end game? lol
Author:  Remey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:57 am ]
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LOL Dont count any smn ls as an end game ls. Summoner zerg is the gayest shit ever.

JPs on our sever have to be the most lazy of all. After Maintenance our AC was taken and that night it was still gone. What the hell JPs do you job and get that shit back for us, all the other servers JP get that shit back fast. :p
Author:  Remey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:59 am ]
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Caduceus wrote:
Yeah but the fact that "people are lazy" would only plague Ifrit seems a little crazy.

Would that make it a leadership problem then or did somehow Ifrit break all satistical odds and get the most apathetic people to play 100+ days worth of playtime to reach end game? lol


Dunno Cad but if you plan to play the next FF MMO it would be wise to avoid the Ifrit Server there.
Author:  Anitha [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:08 pm ]
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Ifrit is the TNT of the servers. Drama.
Author:  Eternus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:10 pm ]
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Anitha wrote:
Ifrit is the TNT of the servers. Drama.


Nah other servers have just as juicy if not more juicy drama. MPK and botting doesn't really even pass for drama on some servers. The killed CFH Nidhogg though would.
Author:  Anitha [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:11 pm ]
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Yeah other servers have drama but I think Ifrit just clings to it for like ever.
Author:  Caduceus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:17 pm ]
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Anitha wrote:
Yeah other servers have drama but I think Ifrit just clings to it for like ever.


Why would people on Ifrit cling to drama? I can't speak for other people on other servers but its an interesting point perhaps.

Remey wrote:
Caduceus wrote:
Yeah but the fact that "people are lazy" would only plague Ifrit seems a little crazy.

Would that make it a leadership problem then or did somehow Ifrit break all satistical odds and get the most apathetic people to play 100+ days worth of playtime to reach end game? lol


Dunno Cad but if you plan to play the next FF MMO it would be wise to avoid the Ifrit Server there.


lol no thanks. This if my first and last real MMO.
Author:  Mandos [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:20 pm ]
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thinking more about it, i have no idea...we probably arent the most backward server though, reading BG you will find some servers where fafnir is left up unclaimed because nobody cares enough to even fight it or just one linkshell kills and doesnt have to camp, because there is zero competition, they just go at the end of the window when they know it will be waiting for them.

probably id say that rmt are going to kill the game, those people who went through the jueno hnms > sky > bigger hnms> kings> jailers process had an almost progression like way to advance but anyone starting up now has to compete with bots and hardcore 24/7 characters who camp the same NMs every day and its just too much to expect for casual turning endgame players to care enough about getting that healing staff/autumnstone/serket ring/ridill to put up with the hassle.

Nothing to do with how they screw up the economy, enough people have complained since the last mass account banning that they cant sell anything to show in my mind that they didnt really damage the economoy, just made it bigger. It's all about how they make life hard for newer players, and once the veterans all get bored and quit there will be nobody left.
Author:  Dmitry [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:26 pm ]
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I think that everyone dwells on old things too long, or just aren't motivated enough to do anything. That leads to people not being able to find any help while they try to do missions or something. That in turn just leaves people to the only thing you can do with a random group of people: exp.
Author:  Eternus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:26 pm ]
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Only server I have heard of kings being up without anyone to claim them was Cerberus and that is because even the JPs there do not bother to show up. Everyone on that server gave up because of KOA/Dynasty's supposed "botting superiority".... well until now since their key botting members all quit FFXI. Hades and Remora have Aspi up sometimes due to everyone camping KB and Fafhogg and not caring about the turtle. Jorm is the only universally ignored HNM on all servers... well him and Guivre. At least Guivre walks around munching on people..... would be awesome if Jorm patrolled the area.
Author:  Jimbean [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:33 pm ]
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I left a pretty good answer to this in the drama section, i'll post more when I have time to think it through and give you a wall of text answer. But for now I just came in to correct you and say that lj/impk killed dl like 7 times or someshit already. And what's sad is now that everyone's got their title and key item... no one shows up for xarcabard anymore ; ;
Author:  Remey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:45 pm ]
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Jimbean wrote:
I'm pretty sure hobbes/aesk's real name is james but I could be wrong and unfortunately no my real name isn't james it's dirk. The BAD PPL thing is a joke actually, I picked it up from one of my lsmates who (I believe) started saying it to tease another of our lsmates who is a jp player and speaks horrible broken engrish.

Caduceus, you are correct, the whole server is blinded by close-mindedness (stereo-typing against linkshells, friends, egos, personalities, jps, chinese, gear, duration of playing, etc., etc.,) and I'm sorry to carry on the tradition. However, I fought for a long time against some of these prejudices: I wanted to see NAs band together to overcome kfc/vc/so/rmt/sa, I wanted people to be judged individually for their performance and benefits to an ls, I wanted to see more courtesy, respect, and consideration for everyone else who pays their 13 bucks+ to play every month...

but what did I learn?

People judge you all the time: from what ls you're wearing, to who you waved to in lower jeuno, to what you say on a messageboard. I experienced alot of this type of prejudice for a long time, I believed that a great deal of it was perpetuated by ckd who turned down tons of honest and humble players and who were looking for acceptance and to be part of something great and got "sorry you're a noob" in return. Thus breeding more elitism and prejiduce as these players struggled to prove themselves and be better than the everyone else. And I'll admit, I fell into this trap for a long time, you can even find pangs of it lingering in my posts if you care to deconstruct them.

I'd venture that it doesn't feel so great to be on the opposite end of that does it? To go from being the people who laugh at applicants because they're not 75 yet or don't have any endgame experience, to having your accomplishments be defamed by those same players because they now see you as a cheat. There is some sort of justice in that, but as long as the leaders in Atariii "don't give a fuck" and as long as their are still a large population who is mostly driven by gear or e-penis/status, you'll still be the "greatest" ls on the server and the rest of us will be overshadowed by all your accomplishments and wondering why the ifrit server has been set back a thousand years.

It would've been nice for alot of us to have tried to build a strong na community and lses that worked together, but instead we fell into these petty traps over claims, gear, and lsmembers/lses. I'm product of the community and those I looked up to.

YOU DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!


Hmm your post puts CKD/Atariii as the reason for the set back we have on Ifirt. Thats complete bullshit.

There were other HNM ls back then. With FS and Sentinels (Hokuten kind off >.>), CKD wasnt the only LS doing end game shit. CKD just happend to be the first set of NAs to get sky, kill gods, camp land kings, get sea and all that other crap. Just cause they had drive to compete with the Japanese and HK player base. With IW and KFC owning camps that set back the NA player base as well.

In regards to the not accepting more players into ckd, I dont think they wanted to be like what TTK is now. I'd rather be in a small shell than in one that is filled with the maximum amount a linkshell can hold. :p

p.s. Gawd I hate you Cad, btw I'm sorry about falling asleep on you last night. >.>;
Author:  Caduceus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:54 pm ]
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Remey wrote:
Hmm your post puts CKD/Atariii as the reason for the set back we have on Ifirt. Thats complete bullshit.

There were other HNM ls back then. With FS and Sentinels (Hokuten kind off >.>), CKD wasnt the only LS doing end game shit. CKD just happend to be the first set of NAs to get sky, kill gods, camp land kings, get sea and all that other crap. Just cause they had drive to compete with the Japanese and HK player base. With IW and KFC owning camps that set back the NA player base as well.

In regards to the not accepting more players into ckd, I dont think they wanted to be like what TTK is now. I'd rather be in a small shell than in one that is filled with the maximum amount a linkshell can hold. :p


Could you copy/paste that into this thread? Too lazy to look for it right now, kinda busy irl.

Edit: Jim's post
Jimbean wrote:
I'm pretty sure hobbes/aesk's real name is james but I could be wrong and unfortunately no my real name isn't james it's dirk. The BAD PPL thing is a joke actually, I picked it up from one of my lsmates who (I believe) started saying it to tease another of our lsmates who is a jp player and speaks horrible broken engrish.

Caduceus, you are correct, the whole server is blinded by close-mindedness (stereo-typing against linkshells, friends, egos, personalities, jps, chinese, gear, duration of playing, etc., etc.,) and I'm sorry to carry on the tradition. However, I fought for a long time against some of these prejudices: I wanted to see NAs band together to overcome kfc/vc/so/rmt/sa, I wanted people to be judged individually for their performance and benefits to an ls, I wanted to see more courtesy, respect, and consideration for everyone else who pays their 13 bucks+ to play every month...

but what did I learn?

People judge you all the time: from what ls you're wearing, to who you waved to in lower jeuno, to what you say on a messageboard. I experienced alot of this type of prejudice for a long time, I believed that a great deal of it was perpetuated by ckd who turned down tons of honest and humble players and who were looking for acceptance and to be part of something great and got "sorry you're a noob" in return. Thus breeding more elitism and prejiduce as these players struggled to prove themselves and be better than the everyone else. And I'll admit, I fell into this trap for a long time, you can even find pangs of it lingering in my posts if you care to deconstruct them.

I'd venture that it doesn't feel so great to be on the opposite end of that does it? To go from being the people who laugh at applicants because they're not 75 yet or don't have any endgame experience, to having your accomplishments be defamed by those same players because they now see you as a cheat. There is some sort of justice in that, but as long as the leaders in Atariii "don't give a fuck" and as long as their are still a large population who is mostly driven by gear or e-penis/status, you'll still be the "greatest" ls on the server and the rest of us will be overshadowed by all your accomplishments and wondering why the ifrit server has been set back a thousand years.

It would've been nice for alot of us to have tried to build a strong na community and lses that worked together, but instead we fell into these petty traps over claims, gear, and lsmembers/lses. I'm product of the community and those I looked up to.

YOU DAD! ALRIGHT! I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!
Author:  Kazekuro [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:55 pm ]
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We have a helluva lot of RMT on our server. Anyone take that into account? lol

I think most of our problem on this server is just communication, and general cooperation. It seems like most End-Game LS's on this server tend to hate each other, and or have some sort of rivalry. I guess that's to be expected though, but still. . . if there was more cooperation towards a general movement towards a common goal, that'd probably be a step in the right dirrection.

I think more of it tends to be the general initial interest in CoP.
Author:  Ponuh [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:56 pm ]
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edit: Bleh
Author:  Eternus [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:59 pm ]
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Yeah blame it on Atariii... I do not like to quote rap/hip hop, but Jimbean is really becoming the defnition of a "player hater".

There are more dominant LSs on other servers (Dynasty completely dominates Cerberus) and they do not seem held back by that. Look at Fenrir server for example... the LS that dominates Kings (Omen) isn't the LS the popped AV or beat DL first. I was talking to a guy from Omen LS irl when I picked up ToAU at Gamestop about his server. NA LSs on Fenrir have upgraded 6 or more relics... 3 in his LS (2 horns and a dagger). He made me realize Ifrit is a joke of a server filled with crybaby pussies who blame their own failures on the successful LSs who "held them back". Only thing holding you back is your perceived disadvantages.
Author:  goDeejay [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:02 pm ]
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Before you read this i just want to make it clear that im not trying to directly flame anyone.

I think what makes Ifrit different than most other servers is the fact that all the big name NA LS's on our server (Valour, Atariii/old CKD, JoS, FS) Are sooo freaking selective on the members they let in. I mean, the ONLY way that someone is isnt a BLM/SMN/BRD is getting into one of those LS's is if theyre one of the most oldest/popular players on the server.

I mean, im no noob, i've been playing since early 04' and the only crowd im popular with is lolalla.

Not to sound cliche, (even though i know i will) is that all of the LS's i just stated think theyre on some fucking highhorse, and refuse to allow anyone in their shell who isnt "cool" or 'popular" enough.

And another thing, you all bash the SMN linkshell for chopping through wyrms, yet when you look at every single one of the bigname HNMLS's list of "jobs we are currently recruiting" what do you see?

Atariii, Valour, CKD, and Fatesealers wrote:
Jobs we are recruiting as of <such and such date>:
BRD
SMN
WHM
BLM


That i think is the biggest reason why most of our shells (excluding TTK) dont really flourish with the hardest things that FFXI has to offer.

Simply because they dont have the manpower to deal with wyrms, dyna-xarc, and sea to begin with. Whether it be that theyre too afraid of looking like a zerg LS, or because theyre too fucking proud to allow anyone to wear their pearl, even if said person posseses the proper skills to play their job efficiently.

I mean, look at IRON, its not that theyre so fucking skillfull at FFXI, its because they always have 50+ members in their shell.

And to me, FFXI isnt a hard game. You dont play this game good, you play this game right. The hardest part is getting a good amount of people together and on the same page to accomplish said goals. And thats something that the big NA shells on ifrit simply cannot (or do not) comprehend.
Author:  Dmitry [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:04 pm ]
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That's actually a good point Deejay. A lot of things in this game require a lot of people, and if it's just going to be the same like 12 people on LS all the time then what does that get you?
Author:  Remey [ Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:04 pm ]
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Yea about that relic upgrade, We realy should of started off with Ket getting that Shield before we started defaulting currency to anyone else (not singling anyone out, I was trying to upgrade relic too at the time).

Bleh just saw your post Deejay, Dont think it's a popularity thing (it isnt for us), we just dont want deal with an oversized linkshell. You dont need 50+ people to take shit down.

People come into an ls wanting to do shit we dont want to do. When it was CKD we would get new people wanting to do more sky shit so they can get god drops. Kind of lame to leave an ls that was currently doing god and other sky shit then come to us and bitch about us not doing crap. It's not the we got our sky loot so fuck off attitude, most of us were just tired of farming shit up there for hours on end. I seriously dont understand how Monarchy can do it, that shit would drive me insane. :p
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