|
I forgotten my password, had to look it up since I needed to say a few things. Mikey has asked everybody to stop several times, so I'll try keep it short Mikey, but no promises. I'm also going to try to be objective as much as possible, and refrain from throwing insults like others have in the thread.
This thread has gotten out of hand from what was a joke, however immature or lowball it might appear, I don't really care because it didn't really bother me so it shouldn't have bother you Doodee or anybody else for that matter. It was A JOKE, and again, no matter how poor in taste you might think it is (that varies from person to person). If you did not like the joke, ignore it. Simple. Now, on to whatever spewed out after you opened Pandora's Box.
Rein, thanks for the quick laugh, but Monarchy didn't steal Charby from Fatesealers. Get your damn facts straight and go ask Dalek, the individual from FS who was involved whether we stole it from him or not. I dare anyone to seek him out and ask him for the truth if that's what you honestly believed happened. If you say Aiame and Dragonb have spied on you using Triddy's account, then you should present your proof - otherwise it's just allegations and 'strong' assumptions. If they did and you have proof to present, I will be just as sorely upset with them as well because there is no place for such tactics in a game, ever. Why did we decide to make a new shell? One has to merely look at Hokuten with regards to Yarr and Volrath. Not much more needs to be said. Pirotess may be an ass, but there was no justification for such lowball pranks, I didn't agree with them then and I still do not agree with them today. You don't like the individual, you distance yourself from them. Not too hard is it? We thought it was best to avoid this situation completely.
Icy, you're nice guy and all, but this isn't the time nor the place to make whatever issues you lingering with CKD have public. Volrath's an ass, we all knew that beforehand, but that matter should of been kept private (Yarr should follow his own advice really, he's been provoking and fishing for the past 10 months for replies - Shadowstalker pointed that out nicely in his post but we all know that will be ignored. Mikey, as much as you say Yarr has tried, he sure isn't as hell trying now - even if Aiame or B do not reply, what does all his childish comments amount to? Absolutely nothing but wasted energy. I'm not referring to the joke made in this thread either). Anyone else commenting on the situation between the two when you're not invovled should stop. It's clear whatever issue Icy has with Volrath goes back further then just the one that's being publically presented. However, Icy, that doesn't justify making the issue public.
Murph, there was no need to get into a pissing match nor the need to bring up our successes. If Yarr and whoever wants to bash Monarchy for dying at Fafnir, leaving out details of someone accidently targetting a darter fly, then let it be. Who cares really? So we died. Big deal. They want to slander us about a death and say we suck without all the facts and have people who blindly tag along (Valisk comes to mind), that's their perogative. Life goes on. You and I and everybody else in Monarchy will sleep well at night regardless.
Whisp, everybody acknowledges what CKD has done. Why wouldn't we? There's quite a bit that CKD has accomplished that's worth noting. I've never gone out of my way to bash CKD for what they've accomplished. I've never gone out of my way to bash CKD itself either. I've called out on a few members in the past for their irrational actions but I kept to that, those few individual members. So I don't know where this 'brainwashed' comment is coming from (I know you specifically didn't say it in this thread and it was from Yarr but I guess when you call people out for being assholes, you are 'brainwashed').
That said, it seems that because I called you, Yarr, out for being an asshole when you were being an asshole, I've somehow changed? I haven't changed, I'm still the same person. I will wave back if you wave (I don't play with names on 95% of the time, it clutters the screen and makes it all ugly so you'll have to forgive me if I run by you and not notice when everybody else looks like everybody else without names, but I digress). If you have ever waved at me, I'd make an effort to wave back - even sending a /tell if I thought we were possibly out of emote range. I still do joke around and act like a complete tard in say mode, exchanging friendly banter - be you CKD or not - it doesn't matter to me, and frankly, it never has and never will. I have always been polite and have always replied honestly to the few questions you asked me in private Yarr - whether you believed me or not there's much I can do about that can I? If you asked me today which pop NMs Monarchy has killed in Sky like you did those few times in the past, I'd tell you straight up just as I did then what we killed and what we didn't to the best of my knowledge (obviously if I wasn't online and they were already in sky, I wouldn't know what they killed). I'm not going to lie about shitty ass crap like pop-item times and what was killed or even highly sought after HNM King times (nor am I saying you do either just to make that clear so we don't start another flame war). I've always been polite in my responses whenever Talisin messaged me, although him messaging me out of the blue 'Where's Doodee?' isn't very polite or courteous, but I shrugged it off anyway. I've always responded to people who messaged me, unless I was away from keyboard. I try to be polite and considerate as much as humanly possible, however, when I see someone being an unreasonable ass, I'll make sure they know they are being an unreasonable ass, be you my sister, my best friend, a linkshell member, an acquaintance or a random stranger I've come across being an ass. Whatever your pesonal reasons or justfication, being an ass is being an ass - there is no need to be an asshole, especially when you're not provoked in first place. I haven't changed at all, if anything, it's more your attitude towards me that has changed, atleast enough so to say 'I've been brainwashed' based on one post I've made asking you to stop being such a prick when you don't have to be such a prick. My post asked you to stop being an asshole and harassing people who aren't involved because whatever the accumulated issues you had went back before Monarchy even started going to Tu'Lia. When you have CKD members messaging me in private to apologize for your rude comments in say mode, you are going to far. Monarchy members (to the best of my knowledge, especially if I was present) has never tried to provoke CKD with such redundant comments and if they did and I was present, you'd be sure as hell I'd tell them to stfu and stop because there is no reason and no place to spew such unprovoked crap, no matter how mad or upset you are about past issues. Had you spewed that crap in a situation like you had back with the Sentinels over Serket (heat and spur of the moment), nobody could fault you because we've all said things we did not mean during times when time itself seems to be moving faster then normal, too fast to think and act rationally under stress. All the comments I mentioned in that post were unprovoked (especially the ones said in-game when the two linkshells passed by each other), so there was no reason to say them in the first place.
Notice how my posts have never touched on the staff issue (atleast until this post) between you and DragonB (not Aiame, because it doesn't concern Aiame and your issue with Aiame goes back even further from what I gathered). Why have I not commented on the issue even up until now? Because I wasn't there, nor was I remotely involved. I also do not have enough facts that satisfy my curiosity to what happened back then (even with my own little prodding and asking members in CKD). Adding that all up, what right do I have to comment on what happened? With that said, people such as Valisk and company should stay out of it and refrain from commenting because you weren't there and you don't know what happened either. CKD members themselves are confused what happened so who's to say you have any right to comment? You're an outside just like myself and as such, should refrain from commenting an issue you know nothing about until further research. As far as I know, Dragonb was also the co-founder of CKD (not from B himself, but others I've privately talked to), and even if Yarr denies that, B was definately part of the core-member of CKD that worked hard to establish the linkshell as it now stands today, all the successes and accomplishments that nobody can deny. Just as Yarr (or whoever he is fighting for) has every right to the staff, so does B. Nobody has ever said Yarr did not deserve that staff as much as B, if anything they both deserve the staff (Yarr would use it by lending it to others in the linkshell). Yarr is not an item whore either. I don't know who said this, but I'm pretty sure my few posts on this issue are free of item whore insults. Back on topic, IF B did agree to whatever rules the core members of CKD set at the time then yeah, he was wrong in that moment of judgement. No doubt about it. From my own investigation, it points that way, but I have no solid proof of that so I've yet to pass my own persoanl judgement on the matter. And even if he did have a lapsing moment in his judgement, I'm not going to abandon someone who does so much for everyone else. I'd be confused as hell as to why (just like Hccmike admits himself) and try to seek out answers. Name calling and insults never, ever better the situation. It's wasted energy.
Moving on, you know why my post on Monarchy was rather crude (it seems the post ruffled a few feathers. Pippinn - I don't even know who the hell he is other then he's in CKD - also seems to have developed a liking to me, slapping me and doing digust emotes whenever we cross paths and he obviously notices me)? It was because I was disappointed in you, Yarr, for being such a complete unreasonable asshole up until that point in time. I'm not faulting you for being upset either over whatever the bloody hell happened, but the actions you took. As mad as you are about past events, there is no justification for being such an asshole as you have shown yourself whenever the two linkshells crossed paths in game (and in forums in some cases, but it's your forum so really, you can do what you want). Other linkshells members in CKD might be as upset about you over whatever the bloody hell happened, but guess what? They are acting much more dignified, much more classy then you have in the past. No, I am not referring to the silly editing joke you made in this thread (couldn't care less so I am not going to bother commenting on it) - it's referring to other past actions you made. I am not saying you are not classy or not dignified either so please do not go around twisting my post, I am saying your past actions that I, myself have witnessed with my own eyes, could be hardly classified as dignified or classy (they were unprovoked too) and they sorely disappointed me because I expected better from you.
The Aiame issue (which many CKD members are more upset about then the staff with Dragonb), Ruby and Shadowstalker summed up quite well if the rest of you outsiders (like myself) just want a brief idea of what started this mess between Aiame and CKD. Murph said it as best as it can be concluded - you guys had a falling out (for whatever reasons), end of story.
Right now, Aiame and Dragonb have blacklisted Yarr for whatever personal reaons, reasons the rest of us don't know because we weren't present between the conversations that passed between them (B and Yarr, Yarr and Aiame or the events that unfolded between each of them).
I have tried on my end to clarify what happened, but your actions in the past didn't help one bit Yarr. People aren't this stubborn unless something happened that they strongly disapproved of. All I'm asking is you, no matter how mad, how upset, how strong you believe you have been wrong, to hold your tongue. I'm not asking you to be cheery cheery and all flambuoyont (ie; OMGZ RAINBOWS~! LALALAA~! HAPPY HAPPY LAND~!) or buddy buddy but please for the love of god restrain yourself and control that hot-head of yours whenever the two linkshells cross paths.
All in all, this is really two issues and not one. Yarr/CKD and Aiame (this one has CKD members that were around fuming - goes back to some ammemet camp issue). Yarr/CKD and Dragonb, but seeing how CKD members are confused over Dragonb issue, it's really Yarr and Dragonb.
It's a big long soap opera that just won't die, admittededly due to communication failure - BUT, wailing around and provoking/taunting others doesn't better the situation either.
Last, why do people defend Dragonb (Aiame as well) you ask? The same reason people defend Yarr. All three help out people tremendously, and all three can be very kind and charitable. Yarr can be a hot-head and completely unreasonable but that doesn't and shouldn't detract from other things he has done. Aiame can be just as hot-headed and just as unreasonable as well but the same point applies. The same with Dragonb, though I have yet to see Dragonb slander anyone unless provoked first, EVEN then if he was provoked, he wouldn't even reply and move on minding his own business. That's a class act you find so rare now adays, even in gaming when people can just shrug off anonymous assholes so I refuse to stand by and let everybody judge the guy when firstly, they don't even know him (admittedly he doesn't make this easy, but his many charitable actions speak better then words ever can) and secondly, don't know what the hell happened. I'm not faulting Yarr for being upset, I never have, I'm faulting him for his poor choice of words and poor choice of conduct in the past over this issue (from November 22nd, 2004 to January 22nd, 2005 - I haven't been as active after the 22nd of January).
Now you can pick apart my post and go into a defensive rant, OR you could step back, breathe a few seconds and admit that you were an asshole when you didn't have to be and notice that I'm here to discuss this issue and not get into another online pissing match. I am and have always been open to discuss this matter privately Yarr - other CKD members can vouch for that if they want to do so. However, as I said, I was not even remotely involved in the issue which understandly was why I was never contacted about the issue. My opinion on the matter franky never mattered and up until now, I had to go seeking for the answers privately on my own accord to satisfy my own curiosity as how two good friends could have such a fall-out.
I am serious when I say I want to clear this all up because it's sad to see friends that leveled up together, helped each other with limit breaks, AFs and paved the way for the rest of the english speaking players on Ifrit be fighting and choosing sides WHEN THEY DO NOT FUCKING HAVE TO CHOOSE SIDES. Holy shit batman~!
And don't just say 'Have B give back staff' because that alone WILL NOT clear up the issues (Issues with Aiame for instance) that clearly everybody involved has pent up inside them. I know Monarchy and CKD (as a linkshell) will never be on friendly terms, but you know what? I'd be content with just a neutral stance between the linkshell.
|
Login
and i respect ckd for paving the way for other NA LS's, so please, let's not make this an LS vs. LS issue and see it as what it really is, a person(s) vs. person(s) issue. and let's not drag it into the public so other people (who have no idea on the issues) can made ignorant comments about it and fuel the fire even more.
