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Author:  Vaelen [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:54 am ]
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Got this on Thursday, @ Proto Omega... loving it so far.

Only missing about 11 GS and 4 Segment Addresses - so far this is turning out to be quite the awesome game.

I don't like the fact that there are no shops and equipments (other than swimsuits) for the characters though, but the skill/class point system is pretty rockin'.

I've also found a neat trick for exp if anyone wants to know, but it takes up a lot of time and is pretty painstaking.
Author:  Kaylia [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:20 pm ]
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Vaelen is my new hero!

I love xeno series, even if Episode 2's story deceived me at some point in the game (many part were cut from the original story when they "fired" Sogara and pushed Takasashi aside ><). But still, I really liked it anyway.


As for getting xp, the best way is to level Shion when she is alone on the beginning of CD 2. When other character will be back, they will have leveled a lot too. Yiou can get from 25 to 40 in about 2 hour
Author:  Parade [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:53 pm ]
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its funny because i have always wanted to get the first one and i never did, and since the second one came out, ive been batteling to get it... so vaeleh. u think its worth it?
Author:  Kaylia [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:56 pm ]
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I wouldnt recommand getting the second one without the first. I'm pretty sure someone could understand episode 2 alone, but he might miss some key part of the story.
Author:  Parade [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:57 pm ]
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ok, guess ill be spending more than i expected.
Author:  Kioto [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:42 pm ]
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Its not that expensive. Actually i remember playing XenoI as a ps1 rom for my psx emulator.
Author:  Vaelen [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:26 pm ]
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You're probably thinking of Xenogears :P

Yeah, Xenosaga is definitely worth it Ike.

And what I did for xp, is dove into the Encephalon and into Labyrinthos, took my strongest character for certain types of mobs (Jr., KOS-MOS, or Shion) and put 2 characters I never use in (Ziggy and Jin).
I went into battles against 4 guards (pretty easy) and got all the guards down to about 200 life (or if I was fighting machines you just send Shion in to rape them), then I just sat there and let Ziggy and Jin die, and after there was only 1 or 2 guards left I would slide Jr. in (since he's the only character with +15% exp and +15% skill points) and kill the last guy on a SKL slot. Since you get the full exp if only one person is alive I was getting up to 10,000+ exp some fights, which is pretty damn handy, lol. Sometimes its a pain killing off Ziggy and Jin though because of their ridiculously high amount of HP.


But yeah ike, definitely wanna get Xenosaga I before hand just so you can understand the story - and Xenogears is worth a play if you want the "behind the scenes" look at Xenosaga I guess you could say.
Author:  Kioto [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:28 pm ]
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oooooooooh snap! i got myself confused.

Vaelen is correct, i was thinking about Xenogears.
Author:  Vaelen [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:30 pm ]
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Same company ultimately though - Monolith Soft. Just that SQUARE still owns a lot of the rights to Xenogears, so I don't think they're letting Monolith make Xenogears to be Xenosaga Ep V (the original plan), so it'll be interesting to see what they do.. guess it will probably still in the same time frame though.
Author:  Mythiras [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:06 pm ]
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Kioto wrote:
oooooooooh snap! i got myself confused.

tsk tsk >_> shame on you
Author:  Kioto [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:08 pm ]
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sorry papa
Author:  Parade [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:20 pm ]
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olright, ill checkem out, ill buy the first one today
Author:  Jimbean [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:26 pm ]
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i never played xenogears but xenosaga came highly reccomended from a friend who knew i loved rpgs.. i found the gameplay left something to be desired.. there were 2 many cutscenes.. the game just flowed from one to the other.. allowing very little exploration otherwise. The graphics were cool, but it seemed like the game was way too based on their fmv sequences.. and judging from your review of the new one, the platform hasn't changed much.
Author:  Vaelen [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:58 pm ]
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It hasn't changed much yes but there's a lot of new systems. There's also an "Ex" game in this one (remember Chrono Trigger's "New Game+"?) where after you beat the game you're allowed to go back and you get access to new quests, but rather than starting your game all the way over it basically puts you in the time line of the game right before the last dungeon (even though you've actually already beaten it), so you can get do the Dark Erde Kaiser battle at this point, you also get access to the Desert, and Heaven's Ruins Encephalons.

There's also a lot of new boss fights you get access to at this point... some of the bosses are awesome, if you can land a kill shot on one of the secret bosses with a SKL x10 slot you can get like 34000 skill points or something like that, it's awesome lol
Author:  Kaylia [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:16 pm ]
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Vaelen wrote:
Same company ultimately though - Monolith Soft. Just that SQUARE still owns a lot of the rights to Xenogears, so I don't think they're letting Monolith make Xenogears to be Xenosaga Ep V (the original plan), so it'll be interesting to see what they do.. guess it will probably still in the same time frame though.



XS is never going to be an official sequel/prequel, but despite what they say, they are following the same timeline and almost identical event. As far as I can see, both game "complete" each other and XS correspond to a more detailled version of what happened before XG's intro.

About future episode, I have no idea if they will make all 6 episode around the same time period or if they will do a time jump. I guess we will have to see after Episode 3.
Author:  Ponuh [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:22 pm ]
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My friend loved xenosaga for awhile.

I think he had a sexual attraction to KOS-MOS.

Eew.
Author:  Vurin [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:48 am ]
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My first playthrough of Xenosaga I liked the story didn't like the fighs. Mostly because I erronously wasted points upgrading techniques and the like when I should have been statboosting using TP. Shion Momo and Kos Mos all make excellent ehalers/attacks if you boost their Ether Attack. give Shiona bravesoul for str up when hp downa dns he can heal and melee.

Only weakness with the group is until you get angel arrow/angel blade at 35 or so you're sorely lacking for hit all enemy attacks... but you could use Jr's storm waltz for that instead of say shion.

Xenosaga 2 I'm hating the GS cmapaigns *yawn* so boring and a lot fot hem involve random shit liek that robot's memory or the fishign thing. Ugh. As for the rest its pretty good. i didn't level excessively so I'm not even 35 and about to strt Omega system, but I am holding my own by exploiting the mobs weakness. particularly for bosses you get all intimidated by like 30k hp until you realize I can do that in one hit at the high end of a chain.

Ex. Ona a mob weak to aura dmg you bring Chaos + 2 other ( kos mos and momos my favorites). You stock up to 3 for everyone, use attack on kosmos/chaos is you want and give aura sword to kosmos and momo.

Then say an enemy's weakzone is BBC. have Kos mos go square square attack, boost to Choas have him break and down the enemy and use one stock.At this point the enemy is defense broken, Downed, and has aura AC x 3-4. Then you just continue to boost and use stock. If you're careful about using more stock on rounds wirth + boost gain as well as momo attacking on Ether attack round etc by the end you can have AC Aura x 16+ and Momo's normal attack hitting for well over 10k.

You'll need an extra cast of an sword elemental if the enemy is strong vs aura, but Jin works better anyway since Chaos and Ziggy can't hit the enemy if you did air ( kosmos breaking), and Jr can't down/air an enemy, and Shion has thunder elementl on some but not all of her attacks.

its kind of cheap I think but it beats the hell out of doing the small 1-2 man combos for liek 2k ever 5-6 rounds. Also some enemies dodge the break and stuff. its no big deal if they do at worst you lose one boost gauge and maybea stock.
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:03 am ]
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I agree about GS campaign. Some mission were okay, but other were just...meh...used to increase game clock. Robot's memory being one of the most pointless. I also hate how you can fail some quest and have no way to get them back.
If game take 15 hours, 30hour and 40hour, it's fine with me. They didnt have to add those mission to waste your time.


About battle, many people complained about them being too lengthy. It's true they are lengthy when you just hit random attack button, but when you know what you're doing, fight get much shorter. You really have to pay attention to monster weakness and understand chain, elemental chain, "move" command and boost system. System isn't perfect but I still liked it. I just find weird people praise game like Front mission when there isnt really much strategy involved than with any other game and complain about XS.
Author:  Crescens [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:16 am ]
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Kinda off topic but hey Vaelen wasn't there supposed to be some promo DVD with the Xenosaga 1 story on it... you don't by any chance have it do you roflrofl
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:18 am ]
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Crescens wrote:
Kinda off topic but hey Vaelen wasn't there supposed to be some promo DVD with the Xenosaga 1 story on it... you don't by any chance have it do you roflrofl



This DVD is useless :? Not even all cs are on it, and you can download everything on the net if you want to rewatch cutscene badly (like I did)
Author:  Vurin [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:59 am ]
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Yeah Front mission is a not very tactical tactical game. i mean movement and coordianting the untis is important and all, but at leats in FM 4 if you have a fair bit of money you're almost always outgunning the enemy and the AI is stupid that you can engage 1 or 2 of their wanzers will all four of yours.
Author:  Gades [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:16 am ]
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IMO, Xenosaga II was a huge let down. The story was pretty good, although confusing in the end, but the battle system was just meh to me. I didn't like the fact that most characters are complety useless against some monsters and that you had to use stock x 3 + boost x 3 + elemental sword + back attack + zone break to do any sort of damage on a NORMAL monster. As for E.S. battles, they lacked dept, on the opposite of character battles who have too much dept.

The GS campain was pretty pointless too, only a mediocre way to add more gameplay time. The quests werent so bad when they were in the same zone (catching mices, washing windows, etc) but were a pain when you had to zone, due to the long load times, specially the Zaza and the robot memory ones.

Bottom line, i'll probably pick it up again someday to finish the post-game GS, and i'll surely play XS3 to know the rest of the story, but i doubt i'll play through again.
Author:  Vaelen [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:43 am ]
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Crescens wrote:
Kinda off topic but hey Vaelen wasn't there supposed to be some promo DVD with the Xenosaga 1 story on it... you don't by any chance have it do you roflrofl


I believe you're thinking of Xenosaga Freaks. Like Kaylia said you could probably find it online.



Btw, anyone find the Wilhelm cutscene pretty interesting?
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:47 pm ]
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No no Vaelen. If you preordered XS2, you would get a DVD with 4 cs hours from episode 1.

They were getting the same in japan when you preordered XS freak
Author:  Vaelen [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:57 pm ]
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Ohhh, that hehe
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