I think the only wackos are the people who were arguing over an internet forum first about a politcal matter, then about who's views on wackos are more wacko.

Put simply, you are wackos arguing about wackos who debate on wackos on a wacko matter about who is truly wacko.

This is about the time where you take a step back and say: Dude.

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Lol you may just be right there Mike ^^





When did I say i red part of a chapter? Now you are assuming things. I said I read part of his book. Is his book only 1 chapter?


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Unick:

It's very funny that you mentioned how much you were cheered and loved, reminds me of something that happend a while ago.
A group of U.S. soldiers came into a night club in Mexico and some people cheered in english and bought them drinks and were having a great time ^^, the funny thing is that in spanish they were insulting them and ordering beer with pee in it.

Just remember smiles hide hate much better than anything else.

Haha were the beers they bought you good?

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lol naw no pee beer and most of the places they spoke enough english to talk to us.

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Sounds like a great way to end up dead, or severely maimed. One thing I have learned in life is to never underestimate the intelligence of others, regardless of their occupation. Spanish isn't exactly a fringe language, and I can assure you if it indeed did happen, odds are someone understood.

To be honest, this sounds like another Urban legend.

language basics are pretty much the same from country to country... spanish -o -as -a -amos -ais -an. but dialects and slang are pretty much hard to pick out unless youre a native or told what they mean. juevos means literally "egg's" but in context can mean "balls". so goes for things like curse words and such. they prolly didnt say these things to their face per say either. its not far off in my opinion that that would happen.

ive worked in food service for a long time now. us servers may be nice to your face, but when were back getting your drinks away from your table were talking shit about you and cussing you out if we dont like you. now i have never done anything bad to any of my customers food but i dont think everyone would practice as much restraint as i have. if these people hated americans a lot, i can see them peeing a little in their beer and laughing about it.

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Thats the ting if you sit at the bar you watch them make your drinks. Cant do anything if someone is watching. They dont hate Amerians. Thats just what one side of the political spectrum would like you to believe. Yes there is people out there that hate us IM not denying that at all. Im just saying I have never seen anything bad over seas. Ive seen more America bashing here in the states then Ive seen anyywhere else. Noone in the world is loved by everyone. Saying that noone hates you is stupid its not possible. Even Mother Teressa probably had a few people that hated her lol.


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I said I wouldn't return and what-not but this one I felt like posting to. I haven't read every post but I read some of them. From what I got was Unick was defending the U.S. for it's actions, the rest of you weren't bashing the U.S. but are sick of its shit.

Unick, you are right. America isn't really hated THAT much, BUT Anti-American sentiment is growing. Rapidly. You haven't seen that anti-america sentiment cause they are probably polite enough to keep it to themselves.

However, Bush sucks ass. He is fighting the world to spread democracy while fighting internally to restrict ours. Case and point, The Patriot Act. The Iraq war isn't all meaningless, its giving many people who didnt have a chance to live happily that chance. Since it is a war, people wont like it regardless the outcomes.

The U.N. wasn't doing much to help Iraq even before the war. I believe it was France and Russia had top officials that were involved in the corrupt Oil for Food program. That program was trading food, medical supplies, and money for oil (To Saddam.) Saddam in turn took that money and spent it, not on his people, but on re-building his armed forces. Anyway the French and Russian officials were being paid off by Saddam so that he could continue his plans.

I love my country (America) and everything, but atm it is going down hill real fast. Bush is in the Oil companies pockets, but so are all of us Americans. We use a hell of a lot of Petroleum, and there is no easy way to solve it.

A little off-topic but it's pretty interesting. America (Bush) recently pulled out of a treaty to keep weaponry out of space. Now the air force is developing weapons to send up in space, well atleast trying cause they are having a hard time getting the O.K. to start testing. Anyway, one weapon they have developed is a contraption they call "Rods from God" Its basically a satallite that has rods of Titanium, Tungstun (sp?), Uranium, and one other kind but i forget. They basically just drop the rods from space and it impacts the targeted area at 7,200 mph and has the effect of a small nuclear weapon. The second project that I have read about is seriously a high powered LASER BEAM! Sci-fi meet Sci-fact. Its 3am here and I left the article in my car, but it bounces high power laser of refelctive pannels on satallites or on high altitude blimps that redirects the deadly ray to the targer below. Crazy shit huh?

I like to see whats happening in FF11 and this is the best site i know of to keep up with the new happenings. I wanna see if they announce an actual FF11-2 type MMO and i figure you guys would be some of the first NA's who know bout it. <- Why i replyed and lied about leaving. So sue me.

Btw very well put post first of all. This weapon you talking about Ive heard something about them trying to develop something like this to put on ships. I havent heard about it in space but Im sure they are trying to do it and i think its pretty neat ^^. The one on ships is soposed to be a electromagnetic rail gun that launches chunnks of metal at a super high spead. The only problem they were having when I last heard about it was generating all that electricity safely on a ship floating in the ocean. Cool stuff ^^


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They've been talking about space based kinetic energy weapons for decades. In fact my company is going to be having a symposium on these and other space based weapons platforms soon.

Heh, isn't Mir a space based kinetic energy weapon?

btw. hi kail!

Bah...

Let's end this by launching all of our nuclear weapons at each other and whatever country has the most percent of their original population left, wins and can go on and die from radiation =P

Yes... that is probably the stupidest solution you have ever heard.


Anyhow.

Carry on, don't have much to add... since ya'll have pretty much summed up my opinions on the matter -.-;;

EDIT: Okay, I'd feel stupid just leaving this as it was... *sigh*

Anyhow, yes... I agree with whoever said Anti-American sentiment is growing, because... it is.
Those protests or w/e we see on TV? Only a small percentage of the actual population.

I agree, that after 9/11, Americans were in a rage. No one can deny that. We knew who did this, but we didn't exactly know what we were getting into when we started this war.

Bush had a plan for winning this war, the problem was... he had no real plan for AFTER we liberated Iraq. He said we were going to rebuild their country, but he didn't fully factor in those who would still support Saddam/Osama. Cities like Fallujah (sp?) is a perfect example of this. I don't fully remember if this issue was resolved in the city, but last I checked, that was one of the areas with a HIGH concentration of anti-American protests/killings.

But, we're not exactly making ourselves look good when the media is publishing photos of Saddam in his underwear and our soldiers abusing fighters that some of the Iraqis see as martyrs. If such acts hadn't occured, our case would look A-L-O-T better, however, with such acts occuring at Abu Graib and Guantonamo Bay.... we're not looking so good as the "peacekeepers of the world."

I sort of agree with Reinheld... I am afraid of what is to come of America in the future... not just our political standing... but our economic standing, and that's a whole other issue altogether, but since it's late, I'll only say this: if Bush doesn't stop with the Tax breaks for companies who outsource and try to better pull us out of our recession, it's only a matter of time before history repeats itself and we enter a second Great Depression =/

That's my 2 cents, discuss as you will... but through these 16 year old eyes... that is how I see things... I don't have the experiences of older persons as those in this thread, but I feel that I have a right to also voice my teenage opinion on the matter.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

EDIT2: Oh hell... don't get me started on Bush's Domestic Policy... Patriot Act my butt... and this "new" Patriot Act is a hell of a lot worse than the first! You don't even have to be a suspected terrorist for them to look into your computer/internet if this passes!

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Yea see that makes me mad. Yae our trops were wrong for doing what they did but I saw more about this on the news then the damn beheadings the terrorists were doing. I hate the media ^^



Actually our economy is on the rise slowly but its going up. The tax breaks and the exact same thing Ragen did and started the economical boom that Clinton helped make bigger. When bush came into office the economy was already on a downturn then 9/11 happened and it went in the shitcan. Things will be better soon. Alot of the top economy ppl are saying things are gonna make a turn around soon. I dont know how they know but thats what they are saying lol ^^


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EDIT 1 Oh and yea the Patriot Act was made with good intentions but its a bad bad bad thing. Not too much freedom for anyone if thats in effect.

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Reading stuff like this really makes me sad. It proves to me that people don't actually research politics on their own and actually believe those 30 second soundbytes that Political activists display on TV which are oh so rarely factually accurate.

Bush is not "giving" tax breaks to companies that outsource.

Educate Yourself

Um... yeah.

I don't listen to those 30 second soundbytes on the news, kthxbai.

And last I checked, I haven't seen Bush exactly step up to the plate and try and stop this. From what I've seen, this is drastically increased in recent years.

Yes, 3 million jobs compared to the 270 million+ Americans is rather small, but how many of those 270 million are actually a part of the working class?



That came straight from your article. Those figures aren't a full representation of the facts.



That was also in your article. What I don't understand is, if this is all well and good, what about those who are no longer receiving a steady income and can no longer meet the required standard of living, hmm? If the job that a certain person specializes in is no longer available, what are they to do? Get a re-education for a new occupation? That is not a reasonable solution to this problem.

Be sad all you want. I really don't care. But as I see it, Corporations are outsourcing to keep more money in THEIR pockets while the Average Joe gets a ramrod right up the ass.

I don't get my political insight from 30 second protest spots on the TV, I formulate my own opinion based on what I hear from my own parents, teachers, friends, etc. I rarely use the television as a source to formulate my own opinion. So please don't jump to conclusions about me.

EDIT - I am sorry, I did not know the whole truth behind the whole tax breaks to outsourcing corporations, but you do have to agree that Bush isn't exactly doing much to try and stop this. Sure, it might help in the long run for those who can GET a job, but for those without, what are they to do?

This isn't a post demanding people listen to me, this is a post created so that I can better understand what is happening to this country that I once used to see as "perfect" before I hit a certain age.

I like reading discussions such as this, because it helps me learn more, and that's all that I want to do: learn. I DON'T WANT TO BE LEFT BEHIND =P

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You clearly have no grasp of the situation, nor it's past. The percentage of outsourcing has actually been steady since around 2000, when previously it had been on the rise. The only option to prevent this is not removing the tax breaks (which are inconsequential when compared to the savings associated with labor), but it would require that the federal government raise impressive tariffs on goods associated with the products, thus raising the end products price for the consumer. This would of course encourage manufacturing jobs back to the United States, but the cost of which would be borne out by the consumers who would see their cheap goods now all go up in price, thus damaging the very people who would be saved in addition to many more.



Ironically less and less are part of the "working class". What the more vocal people are concerned with today is that a larger portion of the "skilled" labor is being outsourced as opposed to the nike shoe manufacturing which has always been outsourced. The fact of the matter is there are workers in other countries who are willing to do the labor for cheaper, in addition to the fact that companies are more globally based now which requires them to have staff in other countries.

Companies like Honda, Toyota, etc.. outsource jobs from Japan to the United States to improve their company image here and allow people to buy products manufactured here, rather than overseas for the exact same reasoning. I don't hear anyone crying foul about this practice however.



As should be plainly obvious, this only encompasses larger companies shifting resources overseas, which incidentally are the few companies that actually do it. The possibility that your mom and pop operation is going to outsource their grocery packing to India is beyond remote.



You find it unreasonable that someone in an unskilled labor manufacturing job should get job training from the Federal government to get a higher paying job? *blinks unbelievingly* While I'm all for maintaining the stupidity of our workforce, I think our country would be considerably better served by educating our workforce.



You are precisely the individual who those political ads play too, preying on your lack of knowledge and kneejerk reactionary responses. The only thing accomplished by raising tariffs on goods would be to give a nice big RamRod up the average Joe's ass.



I find this hard to believe, as anyone who took a few minutes to actually research the issues at hand would have an incredibly stronger grasp of the situation. You clearly do not.



They need to retrain themselves, and take advantage of government assistance, which incidentally you and I are paying for regardless of whether they take advantage of it or not. People who do not wish to better themselves, or take the time to learn a skilled profession beyond a store baggage clerk can continue to suck up the welfare rolls as they have done in the past.