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Never thought I'd be the one to tell someone that they're having trouble distinguishing arguement from debate, haha.

I'm just bringing up a point. I know- I've debated this with Christians before, and once as I was assailing them with questions of the totally illogical thought process in Christianity they simply cut me off with "It's called faith, something you'd obviously don't have" and it was a profound arguement


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its you're life believe whatever you want. I dont understand why most ppl get alll upset when someone says they do or dont believe in god. It theat persons life they can do whatever they want. whats it matter how i feel on god to you? Youre disbelief doesnt matter to me. You can not belive in god and whatever happens when you die will happen. Either you just die and thats it or you go to the afterlife and thats it. It doesnt matter either way you'll be dead and wont care anymore lol.

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Debating and or argueing over a subject like this will end up in people getting pissed off and mad at each other.

I don't find it illogical to belive in something, but if it makes people happy then who cares it doesn't affect you


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i dont have any proof god doesnt exist, but i also dont have any proof a purple cookie is controlling the universe either, so by your logic i should believe that too

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I think you all are forgetting that i am in fact jesus christ lord emperor of the moon.


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i dont have any proof god doesnt exist, but i also dont have any proof a purple cookie is controlling the universe either, so by your logic i should believe that too


Mmmm.... purple cookies! :D

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I think you all are forgetting that i am in fact jesus christ lord emperor of the moon.

Right on. By the way, all the good debate has ended.


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fossil is being completely snobbish now, I tried to hold back on saying it before, but his holier than thou attitude is getting ridiculous.


Actually I'm just tired of being picked on because I belive in God and I'm not about to bow down to the Church of Science. Science makes good tools but it's not an answer to everything. (Ask a Quaker)

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oh and a more serious point somone asked why i think big bang is bullshit, someone here pointed it out i forget who but im referring to the acceletory nature of the heavenly bodies in relation to each other were discovering which is leaving alot of big bang theorists scratching there heads about the whole thing now like hmmm ok i dunno


Actually not really... Right now it's belived Time/space was flat at the inital big bang but it is now negatively curved as matter is moving farther part creating an infinite surface. The cause of everything speeding up is attributed to this negative curve and to 95% of the universe being composed ot Dark Matter which we can't detect. (yay science)

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yeah those odds are small because you view the universe as being finite, might be hard for you to imagine the infinite maybe. i dont care if theres a .0000000000000001% chance of something happening out of infinite tries it is 100% going to happen (my degree in math tells me so :P) so your point there is moot. and if you cant see evolution everywhere around again, need to open your eyes heh. the process of evolution is mostly random, it is not something life can "strive for" its something that just happens through minute changes (well unless man starts fucking with it like we do breeding animals). if your saying genetic traits cannot be passed on from parent to child (which is pretty much what your saying when you say you dont believe in evolution) then ill refer to my previous post, your asking me to prove the "theory" of gravity to you.


Oh good a math boy! Yes the univserse is infinite. But the real question is is it infinitly countable or infinitly uncountable. Basically can or can not the universe be put into a 1 to 1 correspondance with the set of Z+. I still have yet to find a countable set to compare the universe to. (if you can I'd love to know) If it can't be counted then well.. science breaks down and your little 100% theory is a dud. Also by your theory it would take an infinite amount if tried to produce life on one planet. There goes the whole alien abduction theory too. Finally, from science we know the universe is only around 14 billion years old. That's a long time but no way near enough to go though an infinite amount of tries. (you would need infinate time for that)

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and as far as dissing people who get an education, wtf haha your dissing people who dont just blindly belive is some concocted scheme and strive to make there own decisions about life and educate themselves? lol i mean ahahahah im sorry i mean ROFLFAHSLFIAJLSHAHAHALAHLSTYPICALDUMBASSRELIGOUSFANATIC


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Actually not really... Right now it's belived Time/space was flat at the inital big bang but it is now negatively curved as matter is moving farther part creating an infinite surface. The cause of everything speeding up is attributed to this negative curve and to 95% of the universe being composed ot Dark Matter which we can't detect. (yay science)


Return to the ether theory? And by the way. Go make fun of them somewhere else, because I don't really think anyone cares anymore. You're just going to start more shit. :D


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Actually most of time the God people dont start anything. Its others that start it. I wonder if someone somewhere could set up a "We're here and We're CHristian" parade somewhere. Probably not. We cant show faith in god but its ok to have paraedes that cram homosexuality down our throats(just fyi I dont hate gay people I just hate how that sexual preference has to be cramed down my throat)


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Actually most of time the God people dont start anything. Its others that start it. I wonder if someone somewhere could set up a "We're here and We're CHristian" parade somewhere. Probably not. We cant show faith in god but its ok to have paraedes that cram homosexuality down our throats(just fyi I dont hate gay people I just hate how that sexual preference has to be cramed down my throat)


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Who the fuck are you? Who the hell is putting things down your throat about sexual prefrences. I, being a homosexual in real life, take HUGE offence to the statement you put. After reading all the shit on these forums about the debate on whether god exists or not, I have chosen to stay silent because people have their own opinions on shit, until now.

You dont understand the life that homosexuals like Nick. And by trying to claim that we are sticking out lifestyles down your throat is utter bull shit. It is the simple matter that it isnt a sin or something wrong. Did you think that I chose to be gay? Picture this: I woke up one morning and said, "I think I want to be chastized by society and become an outcast in life because of my sexual prefrences and tendencies."

If you think I did that you are greatly mistaken my friend. I am who I am, why? because someone named God created me like this which means I must have a purpose in his mind. After all he made everything so he made it so I like other guys. It is the pure and utter ignorance of people like Dr. Laura and Back to the Family that are brainwashing people's minds into thinking we are wrong by societies standards.

This is all im going to say on the matter. I know this thread was posted in the sense where you are allowed to express your opinion but you might want to watch what the fuck you say, because more people than me might get offended.

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Yes homosexuality is cramed down everyone throats. All these parades and special gay weeks suck. Look if your gay awsome great have fun I dont care what you do. It doesnt bother me 1 bit. But when I see my tax dollars going to promote Splash week (its a gay week here on south padre) I get pissed because Last Splash week the firemen were hanging the rambow flag banners with a fire truck that my tax dollars helped pay for. Do you honestly think that there could be a christianity parade in our country? Hell fucking no.

Homosexuality is a sin in the Bible but if you dont believe in that then guess what its not a sin. Live youre life the way you want. I just dont want anything to do with it. Yes I do think homosexuallity is a choice. It is a sexual deviation from nature 1 male + 1 female = reproduction that is the way nature is. Yes there is homosexuality in nature but most if it is a dominance thing. Pedophiles and beastiality ppl are sexuall deviants too. Its not natural to have sex with a child or animal but if you are saying homosexuality is something you're born with and its ok then why are these 2 left to be gross and sinnful? Are pedofiles and beastoids(i dont know what they are really called lol) born that way? If so then why are they going to prison for things they cant help?


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Yes homosexuality is cramed down everyone throats. All these parades and special gay weeks suck. Look if your gay awsome great have fun I dont care what you do. It doesnt bother me 1 bit. But when I see my tax dollars going to promote Splash week (its a gay week here on south padre) I get pissed because Last Splash week the firemen were hanging the rambow flag banners with a fire truck that my tax dollars helped pay for. Do you honestly think that there could be a christianity parade in our country? Hell fucking no.

Homosexuality is a sin in the Bible but if you dont believe in that then guess what its not a sin. Live youre life the way you want. I just dont want anything to do with it. Yes I do think homosexuallity is a choice. It is a sexual deviation from nature 1 male + 1 female = reproduction that is the way nature is. Yes there is homosexuality in nature but most if it is a dominance thing. Pedophiles and beastiality ppl are sexuall deviants too. Its not natural to have sex with a child or animal but if you are saying homosexuality is something you're born with and its ok then why are these 2 left to be gross and sinnful? Are pedofiles and beastoids(i dont know what they are really called lol) born that way? If so then why are they going to prison for things they cant help?


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lmao it is not a choice. YOu have no idea what the hell you are talking about. And by the way we have gay pirde weeks, yes, it identifies us to whom we are. So what are you saying? You dont want your tax dollars going to shit like this so youre against tax dollars going through womens history month or black appreciation month. Guess what still a group in which tax dollars are funded in which can be considered a minority buddy.

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Oh and by the way. The Bible was written 376 years after Jesus had died. Dont you think there could be some misgivings there. Oh and as you know no human is perfect, guess what, humans wrote the bible.

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I have a few gay friends which know their limits. They have been shown in
the bible that in christianity homosexuality is a sin. Matter fact its
the main reason why Sodoma & Gomorra was destroyed. I dont know how
all homosexuals are, but i know for a fact all of my gay friends have liked
or/and currently like females, not because they 'had' to, but because they
had actual attraction. In that subject i do say its their choice for being gay.

Will i treat you different because of the person you take to bed at night? No.
I personally dont care about such things, unless they become part or
my business (you know what i mean), then i think all of us will have to
take actions on that.

I am very good friends with the people i speak of, and i love one f them like
i would love a brother. We have and still are very close friends and i wouldnt
let anything get in the way of our friendship.

But i'm not saying in my religion (christianity) is okay for someone to be gay, because it isnt.
But i'm not 100% against it. (Yes, i know i'm not following the scriptures)
but thats my choice to make, and not your choice to comment on it. So stfu.

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humans wrote the bible.


Technically yes, but nothing was written without god's permission.
Its stated in Revelations that nothing was writting that god didnt
want it written, and those to misplace, alter, remove & add things
to the scripture will go streight to hell. (This being in christianity of course).

Who cares about taxes, you shouldnt worry about where ur taxes are going.
If anything you should be more worried about what will be killed with your
tax money then the one week of a fucking parade. Dont make a big deal
aout of the money you will get back eventually.

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Honestly no I dont think there should be a black history month. If theres a black history month then where is the asain history month? How about american indian month? Where is that? Those people were fucked over WAY more then the african american people way back in americas begining. How about a straight pride week? wheres that? It cant exsist because liberal america would throw a fit about it. They would say its a homosexual bashing week and that we cant have that. ITs BS. It is becomming almost evil to be a white straight man in this country and its bullshit. In high school (im from an area that is 85% hispanic) a white guy i knew was getting tired of seeing shirts that said brown pride or mexican pride so he tested the system. He made a shirt that said nothing but white pride on the back of it. Take a guess what happened to him. He was suspended. Why? He was wearing the same thing that the other people were wearing? There is such a in equality in this country but people say they want special rights for certain groups. I say FUCK that if yall want to be treated the same then you get no special rights. You should get the exact same rights as everyone else therefore making you equal not special.

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Technically yes, but nothing was written without god's permission.
Its stated in Revelations that nothing was writting that god didnt
want it written, and those to misplace, alter, remove & add things
to the scripture will go streight to hell. (This being in christianity of course).



Lol yea there was so much stuff edited out of the bible once the roman catholics started the religion. Has anyone read "The Other Bible" lots of weird crazy shit in that. Also "Angels and Demons" and "The Davinchi Code" have awsome insight into that. Great books to read.

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Honestly no I dont think there should be a black history month. If theres a black history month then where is the asain history month? How about american indian month? Where is that? Those people were fucked over WAY more then the african american people way back in americas begining. How about a straight pride week? wheres that? It cant exsist because liberal america would throw a fit about it. They would say its a homosexual bashing week and that we cant have that. ITs BS. It is becomming almost evil to be a white straight man in this country and its bullshit. In high school (im from an area that is 85% hispanic) a white guy i knew was getting tired of seeing shirts that said brown pride or mexican pride so he tested the system. He made a shirt that said nothing but white pride on the back of it. Take a guess what happened to him. He was suspended. Why? He was wearing the same thing that the other people were wearing? There is such a in equality in this country but people say they want special rights for certain groups. I say FUCK that if yall want to be treated the same then you get no special rights. You should get the exact same rights as everyone else therefore making you equal not special.

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on that nick i totally agree with you. I actually consider the channel BET which stands for black entertainment television totally racist. Like anybody would get away with saying white entertainment television. Anyway praise alla

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This isn't the first time Unick has said something like this. Homosexuality isn't crammed down anyone's throats. If anything, because of people who behave like Unick, it's hidden. Sorry :( that's just the way I feel.


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Oh good a math boy! Yes the univserse is infinite. But the real question is is it infinitly countable or infinitly uncountable. Basically can or can not the universe be put into a 1 to 1 correspondance with the set of Z+. I still have yet to find a countable set to compare the universe to. (if you can I'd love to know) If it can't be counted then well.. science breaks down and your little 100% theory is a dud. Also by your theory it would take an infinite amount if tried to produce life on one planet. There goes the whole alien abduction theory too. Finally, from science we know the universe is only around 14 billion years old. That's a long time but no way near enough to go though an infinite amount of tries. (you would need infinate time for that)


your still thinking of everything in terms of limits, you think time has a starting point the universe ends somewhere. and i know what the natural numbers are and what countability is thx (not that it even has anything to do with what were talking about). and btw volume is not a discrete system and the set of a real space system is measured in R^3 to answer your question, probably shouldve learned that in high school but now ya know i guess. im sorry but it seems like your just showing off that you took a precalculus course and are throwing stuff together that really has nothing to do with anything. you seriously have a real condescending attitude, its people like you that turn me off so much to religion with your close minded high and mighty bullshit.

on an unrelated not, as far as the whole gay thing being "crammed down anyones throat" you should walk through the halls of a high school for a day and count how many times you hear the word "faggot" used. its hate breeding at an early age, which is definitely cause for concern, awareness, and education. if you dont agree with your tax dollars paying for these qualities in america, well then thats your opinion.

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