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This isn't the first time Unick has said something like this. Homosexuality isn't crammed down anyone's throats. If anything, because of people who behave like Unick, it's hidden. Sorry :( that's just the way I feel.


LOL yes it is. Come to South Padre Island during Splash week and you tell me its not crammed down you're throat. THeres dude fucking all over the place. On the beach in front of everyone IN MY FUCKING BACK YARD everywhere. They are like rabbits man and its gross. I dont know about you but I dont want to go to my back yard and see 2 strangers fucking gay or straight. Keep it in youre damn house or apartment or hotel room where I dont have to see it. There is a gay bar here on the island what they do in there i dont give a shit about but keep it out of my back yard. Normally I have no problems with homosexuals they do their thing and I do mine, but durring the "IM GAY AND YOU BETTER LIKE IT CAUSE IF YOU DONT YOURE A HOMO HATER AND ILL REPORT YOU" week they just loose their minds. Wake up from noises in youre back yard and night and find 2 men fucking out there then come and talk to me about them not cramming down you're throat.


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have you been listening to sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, and ann coulter a little bit too much there unick? those people are a plague to this world.

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And unick couldnt you simply ignore it or have fun with it, its only a week long thing and i don't think its tromatizing (sp) it would be kinda fun partying all week long for whatever event, be optimistic about things rather complain about something that obviously isnt gonna leave or w/e the case is i non ill shut my mouth now seeing i have no idea what im talking about


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have you been listening to sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, and ann coulter a little bit too much there unick? those people are a plague to this world.



Did you ever see the poll concerning political ideologies of news reporters? If I remember correctly, it was like 80% liberal. That's right, for every conservative reporter there are 4 liberal ones. The media DOES have a left-wing bias in general, Fox is one of the few exceptions. Personally, I like hearing O'Reilly, Coulter, and Limbaugh as exposure to the "Blah blah blah, Bush is stupid and is going to get us all killed blah blah" screed tends to get annoying after a while. As for the gay men copulating in your backyard Unick....wouldn't THEY be the ones subject to being reported? I mean, that's several broken laws.


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Oh and by the way. The Bible was written 376 years after Jesus had died. Dont you think there could be some misgivings there. Oh and as you know no human is perfect, guess what, humans wrote the bible.



The Bible, while composed quite some time after the death of Christ, consists of gospels and epistles written during and shortly after His life.


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have you been listening to sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, and ann coulter a little bit too much there unick? those people are a plague to this world.


I have already posted my Views on those people. I dont like them or listen to anything they say.

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And unick couldnt you simply ignore it or have fun with it, its only a week long thing and i don't think its tromatizing (sp) it would be kinda fun partying all week long for whatever event, be optimistic about things rather complain about something that obviously isnt gonna leave or w/e the case is i non ill shut my mouth now seeing i have no idea what im talking about


You wake up to 2 dude buttfucking in your back yard and ignore it
I dont care if people are gay i just dont think they should have the special rights to a week here. I dont believe in special privliges for anyone. We are all equal in everything so noone should get something that someone else doesnt.

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have you been listening to sean hannity, rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, and ann coulter a little bit too much there unick? those people are a plague to this world.



Did you ever see the poll concerning political ideologies of news reporters? If I remember correctly, it was like 80% liberal. That's right, for every conservative reporter there are 4 liberal ones. The media DOES have a left-wing bias in general, Fox is one of the few exceptions. Personally, I like hearing O'Reilly, Coulter, and Limbaugh as exposure to the "Blah blah blah, Bush is stupid and is going to get us all killed blah blah" screed tends to get annoying after a while. As for the gay men copulating in your backyard Unick....wouldn't THEY be the ones subject to being reported? I mean, that's several broken laws.


Yea but at 4am after chasing homos out of my yard with a loaded gun i didnt want to do anything but sleep lol. Not like the cops could have caught them or anything. Umm yea officed 2 guys were boning in my yard and i chased them off with a gun. Well what did they look like. Well they were naked and running away with clothes in their hands last time i saw them lol

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Oh good a math boy! Yes the univserse is infinite. But the real question is is it infinitly countable or infinitly uncountable. Basically can or can not the universe be put into a 1 to 1 correspondance with the set of Z+. I still have yet to find a countable set to compare the universe to. (if you can I'd love to know) If it can't be counted then well.. science breaks down and your little 100% theory is a dud. Also by your theory it would take an infinite amount if tried to produce life on one planet. There goes the whole alien abduction theory too. Finally, from science we know the universe is only around 14 billion years old. That's a long time but no way near enough to go though an infinite amount of tries. (you would need infinate time for that)


your still thinking of everything in terms of limits, you think time has a starting point the universe ends somewhere. and i know what the natural numbers are and what countability is thx (not that it even has anything to do with what were talking about). and btw volume is not a discrete system and the set of a real space system is measured in R^3 to answer your question, probably shouldve learned that in high school but now ya know i guess. im sorry but it seems like your just showing off that you took a precalculus course and are throwing stuff together that really has nothing to do with anything. you seriously have a real condescending attitude, its people like you that turn me off so much to religion with your close minded high and mighty bullshit.

on an unrelated not, as far as the whole gay thing being "crammed down anyones throat" you should walk through the halls of a high school for a day and count how many times you hear the word "faggot" used. its hate breeding at an early age, which is definitely cause for concern, awareness, and education. if you dont agree with your tax dollars paying for these qualities in america, well then thats your opinion.



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it seems like your just showing off that you took a precalculus course


Do you really have a math degree? I'm not talking pre-calculus at all. I'm talking Combinatorics and at "MY" university you take a number of them besides calc in 2nd or 3rd year. Go back to staring at your shoes like all the other math nerbs. rofl


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Do you really have a math degree? I'm not talking pre-calculus at all. I'm talking Combinatorics and at "MY" university you take a number of them besides calc in 2nd or 3rd year. Go back to staring at your shoes like all the other math nerbs. rofl


i did my senior these on a combinatorics problem involving lattice paths fyi, and yes i graduated magna cum laude with a degree in mathematics. the point is this has nothing at all to do with anything were talking about (the fact your even mentioning combinatorics and countability bewilders me, as it really has nothing to do with anything anyone mentioned) you just bring totally unrelated shit into it and when i call you out for it all you can say is stare at your shoes nerb? heh, im pretty much done shutting you down you can explain all you dont understand in life with your god and if that satisfies you to answer your questions then im glad your happy with it. good luck with your undergraduate degree.

as far as 2 people fucking in your back yard nick, i gotta admit it sounds kinda funny to me haha. id be pissed too but it really doesnt matter if its 2 guys, 2 girls, heterosexual couple its like wtf get the hell out of my back yard. the point is though, 2 people shouldnt taint your view on a whole group of people. as far as the parading etc. you gotta understand, people over the years have hid the fact they were gay, been fired because they were gay, bullied in highschool everyday if they came out that early, and even killed just for being gay. its really no surprise when oppressed people backlash.

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Man I just read all 5 pages in the span of like 1 hour, and wow was there a lot of bullshit.

To clarify, I myself am an agnostic. A lot of my views are fairly similar to what Dinav, Sniffles and even Ruby have already said. I will not put down your religion. (Although I must say I was very uneducated when I was younger; I grew up in an Asian Buddhist household and while I was *required* to pray to certain gods and goddesses and attend temple every few months, I never really bothered to learn the purpose and ideals of my own religion. Hell, I even attended one of those Christian day-care type schools when I was young, where they show those Bible cartoons, haha.) If there is a god and you believe in him, power be unto you. But I am very much a realist in my views that if you go out of your way to put people down for any reason, be it homosexuality, different beliefs or even race, then you are truly a tremendous dredge on our society.

I think Rein put it best, I believe people are naturally born happy, and it is their societies that curb and shape their beliefs and ideals. If you are of a certain religion, just think of this, let's say you were raised until different beliefs, and you followed them, how can you say any religion is correct? Also, to whoever stated that they were raised in a *good* environment and implied that this was brought upon by their beliefs, this is pure bullshit. I know and I'm sure you do too, that there are people living *good* that are hardcore atheists, or people that live in complete poverty and may be devout believers, that's not factor in what is true or not.

This is just to Foss and Unick, this thread was started as a discussion and proposedly *friendly* debate, but you two have done plenty of blatent (and rather blind) condescending, implications, and just plain bad attitude. I'm not fully educated in either science nor religion, but I am sane enough to notice that your discussions are full of hypocrisy. "You can't prove god isn't real so he must be, hmm" "I don't care what you believe but I am going to post how you are wrong." Wtf? Why would you post if you didn't care? Honestly, what you believe in if fine, but when you make comments like this it just shows how shortsighted you are as a person. It doesn't matter how well versed you are or how many degrees at YOUR university you have, you believe in what you believe.

I thought a lot of the earlier posts were very enlightening, albeit long and arduous at 6am :evil: but a lot of the latter were nothing but power trips and self righteous blasphemy (Man I love that word) Hell, if anyone is versed in the beliefs of Buddhism I would love to learn more about it; I do believe religion was created as a tool to control, but while there have been much pain and suffering from it, a lot of people's lives have turned out for the better. Hypocrisy is the one true religion!

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-there is no beginning or end to time
-there is no boundary to space
-every bit of matter and energy that exists has always existed in one or the other form
-there was a "big bang," but it wasnt the beginning of time and space, it was just a nearby occurrence
-the reason people think the big bang created all there is, is because we only think there is this local cluster of galaxies all moving away when actually there is infinitely more to the universe than we can see with our telescopes
-"when life started" is something we know very little about, but it was probably an amazing occurrence, that probably spanned the whole of the earth, and consisted of electrical energy and the right combination of elements, probably took place in the water, and gave rise to a type of matter that was simply a packet of protein similar to viruses which have no DNA but still reproduce themselves unintentionally
-evolution is fact
-after we die, there will be nothingness just like before birth
-there is no such thing as a soul, a spirit, ghosts, angels, gods, demons, devils, anything spiritual
-religion does more harm than good. it's the root of most wars, it's a huge money hole, it diverts humans' attention away from things that really matter, it preaches love but teaches hate, brains no longer thirst for knowledge about existence (most of the time), religion has utterly warped the concept of sex
-people need to find their own path to morality and happiness that isn't handfed, because it will mean more and be truer, more "to the bone," and then people won't be as hypocritical
-most people join church for the wrong reason--to meet the opposite sex, to balance out their life of no good, to make sure they get into heaven, to have something to fill the void of boredom in their lives. and thus you have a system that is obsessed with sex constantly talking about it and thinking about it but usually in a negative way, a system that targets people who are ashamed/depressed/low-confidence and suckers them in, a system that makes people feel bad about themselves and give away their money
-if you were born in algeria there is a 99.8% chance you would be muslim. think about it. religion...people's philosophy about existence...is very very heavily based on their culture. it's not that people sit down and seriously ponder existence, no, instead people copy their parents, copy their friends, they dont think for themselves. or they may think a little bit for themselves but still have a foundation in whatever their society believes in. i think thats sick.

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i did my senior these on a combinatorics problem involving lattice paths fyi, and yes i graduated magna cum laude with a degree in mathematics. the point is this has nothing at all to do with anything were talking about (the fact your even mentioning combinatorics and countability bewilders me, as it really has nothing to do with anything anyone mentioned) you just bring totally unrelated shit into it and when i call you out for it all you can say is stare at your shoes nerb? heh, im pretty much done shutting you down you can explain all you dont understand in life with your god and if that satisfies you to answer your questions then im glad your happy with it. good luck with your undergraduate degree.


Sorry... I'm calling BS on that.

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i dont care if theres a .0000000000000001% chance of something happening out of infinite tries it is 100% going to happen


To me that means... if i roll an infinte sided dice and infinite many times I should get a 1 at least once. Sure sounds like a combinatorics problem to me.


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This is just to Foss and Unick, this thread was started as a discussion and proposedly *friendly* debate, but you two have done plenty of blatent (and rather blind) condescending, implications, and just plain bad attitude. I'm not fully educated in either science nor religion, but I am sane enough to notice that your discussions are full of hypocrisy. "You can't prove god isn't real so he must be, hmm" "I don't care what you believe but I am going to post how you are wrong." Wtf? Why would you post if you didn't care? Honestly, what you believe in if fine, but when you make comments like this it just shows how shortsighted you are as a person. It doesn't matter how well versed you are or how many degrees at YOUR university you have, you believe in what you believe.


If I'm appearing nasty I really don't care any more. I'm tired of having a target on my back because I belive in God. I'm acutally surprised how "thin skinned" some of the seasoned internet trolls around here are.

Actually, I love science. The more physics and astronomy I learn, the more my faith in God is affirmed. Why? Because the more i know how the universe works the more I realize how NOT random it is. If something is not random then it's obviously planned out and this signifies intelligence to me. So something must have planned out this little sandbox we call a universe and that can only be God because it sure wasn't anyone like us. Do i understand the plan? Heck no, but maybe I will someday.


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christ foss no one cares about how good you are in your math and what school things you like, this thread is about belief in a"God".

Go friggin start your own thread about how much math you know so you can somehow make yourself better than all of us on the internet.


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calling bs on what? you didnt even say anything haha. im done with your pissing war, no interest anymore, but if you want to keep talking about something pertaining to the topic im down. but dude seriously, your trying to start a pissing war with me about mathematics for what purpose? calling bs on what again? that i dont even have a degree? what the fuck does it even have to do with anything?

and your infinitely sided dice would be different, you didnt say the earth has an infinitely small chance to exist just a really slim chance. all im saying is if you think god must exist because the earth has a slim chance to exist yet does seems flawed. think of a finitely sided dice rolled infinitely many times, you will indeed get every number. i believe that the universe is infinitely large, and because of that i believe somewhere along the line a planet close enough to a sun with the right resources etc. to breed life was bound to exist and furthermore that many many many planets like this are in the universe (seems kind of short sided when people say the earth is the only planet with life on it in an infinite universe).

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If I'm appearing nasty I really don't care any more. I'm tired of having a target on my back because I belive in God. I'm acutally surprised how "thin skinned" some of the seasoned internet trolls around here are.

Actually, I love science. The more physics and astronomy I learn, the more my faith in God is affirmed. Why? Because the more i know how the universe works the more I realize how NOT random it is. If something is not random then it's obviously planned out and this signifies intelligence to me. So something must have planned out this little sandbox we call a universe and that can only be God because it sure wasn't anyone like us. Do i understand the plan? Heck no, but maybe I will someday.


You don't have a target on your back from believing in god. I believe you said something akin to "If you don't believe in god you're going to fire and brimstone". Perhaps that's where your criticism was generated from?


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I agree with unick on the fact that im sick of "minoritys" getting special privledges and im sure most minoritys are too. It just singles them out and all they want to do is be accepted. Just live and let live who gives a damn about what the person next to you believes, feels, and what color or race they are. Anyone can be a friend with anyone if you have commone grounds. We as America however need to STOP bending over backwards for other cultures and embrace our own. No offense to anyone but I dislike going to places and hearing ppl speak spanish to someone and expect them to understand it. And if they dont then its the English speaking persons fault.

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hispanics are going to be the majority in this country soon. I saw a population trend graph thing a while back that showed that white ppl were being born and dieing at the same rate meaning there is no growth in white population numbers but hispanics are being born more then dieing and african americans are dieng more. I dont know how true it is as i dont remember the source it came from but its interesting non the less.

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