I agree they aren't technically terrorists, they would have to actually terrorize people through means of torture or public displays of death and destruction. Of course they have something to protest, the US is killing boatloads people over there lol. You expect them to bend over and take it? Thats something America does, display weak resolve towards war that needs to something dramatic to happen in order to finish it. Police state warfare has been obviously a retarded strategy to utilize against guerrila/terrorist strategies. Should have learned that from Vietnam, or our own Revolutionary War. You have to be the aggressor, and not in the position of merely reacting to the enemy.

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Well, the war in Iraq was fatally flawed from the get-go because neo-Conservative ideology is flawed from the get-go. The belief that the best way to ensure peace is to spread democracy to the world because two democracies are less likely to attack each other is pretty much bunk for a few reasons. One, democracies (well, all governments but democracies especially) are in a perpetual state of decline as soon as they are founded, and the way to add longevity is to centralize power as much as humanly possible without losing democracy all together. Second, the neo-Cons base their beliefs off of "empirical evidence" that democracies are proven to be more peaceful towards each other, but that doesn't factor in socio-economic factors that vary drastically in different regions throughout the world (the Middle-East and the West, for one ), because democracy hasn't really been established in those regions. So now we see that the cultural/social/religious divides between the West and Middle-East are still as present as ever, and we're in the Iraqi quagmire and we're basically fucked :P gg nubs

PS: I just sort of wrote; i've never really written out my opinions on this before so I hope it doesnt sound like garbled shit. Also I'm trying not to sound like an arrogant dick so if I do please realize that's not my intention

There is no way to spread peace. Mankind will always harbor feelings of jealousy, greed, "morality" and other things that will lead to war. That is the nature of mankind as proven by the history of every culture pretty much.

The current regime was just doing what was inevitable due to the Reagan administration's brilliant idea of selling weapons to Saddam in the first place (thought he would use them on Iran lol). Once that took place the need for his eventual unseating was unavoidable. We gave him chemical weapons and he used them on the Kurds. Then in Desert Storm on our troops and Kuwait lol. They either ran out or disappeared afterwards.

Spreading democracy to the Middle East is just a result of this and any war the US takes place in. We feel it is the best form of government and when we remove their current government we have to put something in its place. They can easily vote in their own aggressive leaders that will wage wars based on their own beliefs. As much as the US would like to stop this from happening, this too is inevitable.

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lets not over do it guys lol.

TS wrote it that way but clearly its just some idiot wanna be ( i wanna fit with the crowd)

And what did he get? Burned literally lol.

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lol so true

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lol

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This "I watch colbert" faggotry seems to occur in every thread of the irl section. Nothing against him of course.

A dumb fuck lit himself on fire by mistake.
It was fucking funny.
As I sat here watching NFL network, playing gameboy, listening to stolen music, eating doritos, and jerking off all at the same time, I LOLd at the flaming asswipe.

AMERICA! (*'-')b!!!

Thunder should have named the topic "Camelfucker gets more than he bargained for" that way there'd be no argument over the semantics of the word terrorist. lol

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i've never felt more ashamed to be american lol

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huh? I didn't quote a movie to my knowledge. btw Ponuh this whole thread is not about me presenting a platform to express my opinions on the war, it's just a funny/ironic picture to laugh at. For comedic purposes I labeled him a terrorist. Got it?

and...



haha YES! I'm the favorite now BITCHES!

Yeah sorry for going political or whatever.

It is funny just like anything where someone fucks themself up while trying to destroy something. We didn't even have to call Team America on that guy. He pwned himself.

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I found the original post quite funny now for a dumb comment:

"It's what Allah wished."

I firmly respect Ponuh's free speech to post what his thoughts are (though I don't always agree with his views and sometimes it seems to me he posts some giant counter or bait just because "He's Ponuh"and posts so some pissed off individual would debate with him thus upping "The Ponuh's" post count for shits and giggles) but I'm sure the guy and the people in TS's photo would limit whatever Ponuh or I have to say. So remember that. Also, maybe it's time we just grab a bunch of US citizens and go on parade for a little flag burning convention ourselves so Al Jazeera can report on us burning "their country's" flag (Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan) and let's see how much they like it or if they can just sigh and roll their eyes as casually as us Americans do. Maybe we should just end all funding to those poor folks entirely and just "keep to ourselves."

I also find that living in "Dumbfuckistan" has made me a smarter individual. Unlike the very American "California" who sometimes can't even provide power to its own citizens, suffers the worst from gangs, as well as other northern and New England states who couldn't survive without our southern agriculture and journalistic and tourist capitals (CNN) and Canada who is just funny because it's Canada! Life is pretty much the same here as it is there fools, so keep hatin', I love it!

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hang on , I'm confused....I saw two people say "flag burning is legal" and assumed it was a typo and they meant to say illegal, but now I'm not sure.

Just wondered really because there is talk of making it illegal here

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Yes it is completely legal to burn our flag in the US. People have been doing it as a protest for years. Part of Freedom of Speech apparently since you are using speech while burning a flag. Really funny as to how people interpret the Constitution. Pretty sure that is not how it was originally intended by the framers.

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I don't think they'd react nearly as strong as the U.S because they don't have the same fierce nationalistic spirit that we do. many people hold far more allegiance towards social/religious sects than they do to their state.



There was debate for some time about it here but in the 80's there was a Supreme Court case that dealed with a political agitator named Joey Johnson who was arrested outside the Republican National Convention in Texas. The Court found that flag burning fell under what is considered "symbolic speech," and that symbolic speech is protected by the First Amendment (free speech).

the thing is, those people in the middle east are far more religiously fanatical than we are, even considering how many crazies we have here. i would bet their flag has some kind of religious propoganda on it, which means yea they'd defend their flag like psychopaths. let's see.


yep.
The words on the Iraqi flag, for instance, mean "Allah Is Great."

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Yea thats something that seems open to interpretation regarding flag burning, I would be in favour of it being illegal really, set it up as the most radical act you can commit against the state or whatever, with a default 2-5 year sentence, so if you see someone burning it, you know they mean what they are talking about....

As for your response Ponuh, I want to ask another question now, what would happen if another Supreme Court Judge ruled that flag burning in "similar but slightly different" circumstances was illegal, could they even do that or are decisions made by the SC binding so that nobody can undo them?

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So tell me again how this is a revelation? I can't tell if you're being patronizing or if you're really totally oblivious.

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So if we were to burn their flag it'd cause them to defend it "like pyschopaths" (but apparently, when an iraqi burns our flag we're just being American, yeah?) So what if their flag has "Allah is great" on it? "In God We Trust" is on all of our currency. Religion plays a prominent role in both our cultures.

And who are you to decide that Islam has more "crazies" than we do? Is it because you watch CNN?

lol ponuh youre arguing with the wrong person. i agree with pretty much everything you have said, minus the several derivations of the word ass that you randomly throw at people. anyway. you want to talk about how muslims would react if we went to their land and burned flags in their public areas? they'd go nuts. how do i know this? i've seen religious crazies in america, both muslim and others, i've seen videos online of religious crazies, i've seen statistics about how religion saturates every square nanometer in the middle east, history has shown us how a beaten down people will react to provocation, they are like a pimple ready to pop over there. did i say anything about usa? we have nutcases over here just as well. who's more at fault in the current events? we are, no doubt. we have made poor, pathetic, terrible use of our enormous power. we should be ashamed. at any rate, there will always be conflict when people radicalize militantly in the name of religion. i'd be happy to just see all militant religious fanatics die of soul cancer.

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Most Americans think that Islam is a violent religion, though. That's not the case. between the violent practices that occur in some Islamic states (social practice) and Jihadism (which always makes the news in the US), most Americans are really growing to hate Islam for something that it isn't.

btw after mohammad came down from the mountain where he had his vision he went back to meccah to kill people. Can't remember who or why, but yeah.

this topic needs more tits

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