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I get my violence from watching mixed martial arts. I don't care is baseball isn't violent, it's a lot more entertaining to me than football. I can't even sit through a football game, while I can watch baseball all day.

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MMA is cool, but it was more entertaining when UFC had less rules. Pride has always had rumors of fixed fights and them quasi-merging with UFC made me skeptical. So far it has gone ok. The rest of MMA is ok, but I don't find it any more entertaining to watch than football. It is only 1v1 afterall and not as spectacular as watching some martial arts flick. The limitation of the ground game and shortening of matches overall has made it somewhat more entertaining. I don't agree with the concept of rounds in a fight at all, due to a real fight never having standup go into your corner breaks. As it has evolved, UFC has less and less in common with a real fight. I do like MMA a little more than boxing though.

I can't sit through a baseball game unless I am at the stadium. Wait forever for the damn pitcher to throw the ball, and most hitters don't even get on base. As a team sport it is all about throwing the ball to another person or hitting the ball and getting them to home plate eventually. There are strategic aspects to American Football that aren't even in footbal/soccerl or hockey, let alone baseball which isn't the same at all. There are more types of defensive schemes and ways to counter offensive packages since all 11 players are doing something. In baseball if you aren't the pitcher, the batter, in the part of the field where the ball is being hit, or someone on a base that the baserunner might run to... then you are doing nothing.

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I also liked watching Pride fights the most. UFC has too many rules. MMA is definately my favorite fighting to watch. Wrestling is gay and regular boxing is boring.

I'm gonna join a combat sports place near my house (soon with a couple friends), and start learning Jiu-Jitsu. That and kickboxing are my 2 favorite to watch and the 2 I wanna do.

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Pride was ok before the merger. Who the fuck actually watches regular wresting? Nevermind watching pro-wrestling, which isn't even a sport (FMW and All-Japan are more entertaining than WWE for example). Boxing has been made obsolete for the most part due to MMA. The last K1 fight I watched seemed really fixed in how it went down. Especially the stuff involving Bob Sapp, starting to get a pro-wrestling feel which is lame. IKF and UCL (ultimate combat league) are mediocre kickboxing talentwise compared to K1 overall.

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I used to watch Pride. Does that Gome (probably misspelled his name, dood would surf the ring posts after he won) dood still fight with the merged UFC? He was badass. When I watched Pride he was taking out the Brazilian team one by one.

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The best part about football is, anything can happen(on any given sunday). For all we know the winless dolphins could beat the pats, its not likely to happen, but it could. The fins were the only team to beat the 15-1 Bears in 85. This game is going to be their superbowl, the fins may be the worst team in the league, but even them can get up for this game. Will it happen, probably not, but one play like Brady getting his knee cut out from under him, or someone playing a perfect game, and the pats playing a bad one. All I know is I'll be cheering for the underdog Packers in the Superbowl.

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too bad the cowboys are going to beat the packers for the NFC title, and Favre is old

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Favre is old? So? Is that the worst thing you can think of? GB could have won that game. Having three key Defensive players out that game really hurt them(Woodson, KGB, and Jolly, and his back up). Put those three starters back in there, especially woodson and its a different stroy.

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the cowboys and packers both are going to lose to Indy/NE anyway. They'll both need luck if they expect to win any hardware this year.

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I'd rather be lucky then good.

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I hope Brock Lesnar loses lol. Liddell against Silva might be interesting on the 29th of December.
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That is Gomi, I think you are talking about that guy Remey.

The NFC will need luck to win this year's Superbowl, thats for sure. Vikings? All they can really do is run, how good are they at passing on third down? Their defense is ok. I fucking hate the Cowboys, but they are good enough to get to the Superbowl and lose to NE or Indy badly. I don't see the Packers winning either. Their defenses are decent but not great. The AFC has better defenses imo.

The Colts are saving Harrison for the playoffs. This much is obvious and they only lost to NE by 4, without one of their starting tackles too. Freeney is out for the season, but their defense seems to be playing well enough. Bob Sanders doesn't practice, but plays every week. Their LBs are fast, but can be gotten past. He is as much the key to their defense as anyone. Addai seems to be slowing down at the end of the year, but he is good. Manning will be doing better with Harrison and Wayne, Gonzalez can be 3rd receiver. Clark is damn good.

Marcus Stroud is out for the season for the Jaguars, and he was suspended for 4 games already this year. That is a not good, and I don't think Peterson rushing back is a good idea either. The Jaguars can beat the Steelers, especially since its Fred's first game at Heinz field haha. He has the single game rushing record at Three Rivers Stadium btw. That will be a really physical game. I think the Jags can win out and beat the Steelers in the playoffs as well. That is if the pass rush does anything at all. Hayward needs to get healthy or the McCray needs to step up his game. If that doesn't happen, then there will be problems.

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Eternus what are you talking about. The Packers have the best defense out of the top 4 teams in the league right now.

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Eternus what are you talking about. The Packers have the best defense out of the top 4 teams in the league right now.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

Best rushing defense is the Vikings, passing is the Colts right now yardage wise. Total Defense its the Steelers then the Colts. The Packers defense is not rated in the top 5 for any category.

Total Defense.

1. Pittsburgh Steelers 245.5
2. Indianapolis Colts 274.4
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 289.2
4. New England Patriots 294.0
5. Baltimore Ravens 297.3

The Packers are tied at 6th place for scoring defense with the Jaguars. Steelers are the best scoring defense.

1 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 14.5 189 189 14.5 3 15 1 1 0 1 0 0 21 14 0 0
2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 16.5 215 215 16.5 9 13 0 1 2 0 0 0 24 13 1 0
3 Indianapolis Colts 13 16.7 217 217 16.7 8 13 1 3 0 1 0 0 23 12 0 1
4 New England Patriots 13 17.1 222 222 17.1 7 18 0 0 1 1 0 0 27 11 0 0
5 Seattle Seahawks 13 17.5 228 228 17.5 14 10 0 0 0 1 0 0 21 17 2 1
6 Green Bay Packers 13 17.6 229 229 17.6 4 20 0 0 0 0 0 0 23 20 0 1
6 Jacksonville Jaguars 13 17.6 229 229 17.6 9 15 0 0 1 0 0 0 24 17 1 1
8 Minnesota Vikings 13 18.8 244 244 18.8 5 17 1 0 0 0 1 0 25 23 0 0

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Greenbay has a good Defence, when all the players are healthy. They had 3 key players, and one good back up out during the Dallas game. Woodson was key in that loss, the Cowboys did a great job with TO, getting him off man coverage against harris. Harris didn't get beat as bad as it looked, a lot of TO plays were against others because they moved him around, put him in motion a lot. With Woodson back, doing that won't be as effective, cause you'll either have Harris or Woodson on either side. They might have the int numbers that some people have, but they are really doing a great job this year shutting people down. Green Bay's run defence is good to. The only weakness that I've really been bitching about this year is covering a good/fast Tightend. Collins and Bigby have played some good games(Collins more then Atari), but its mostly Bigby doing stupid things that kill us against the likes of Gates and Gonzalas. I've watched every game this year, and Defensive wise, they really do a good job when its needed, most of the points they do give up are towards the end of the game, when its already decieded whos won. I think if they stick to their game play, with the talent they have at wide reciever, they can beat anyone. They are a good five deep, and Jennings is playing at a pro bowl level, no one can run after the catch like that guy. Anyways, I guess I'll always be bias towards them, but every fan is towards the team they love haha.

But all it really boils down to is who plays one game better, who gets the lucky bounces, who is healthy. My prediction, is green bay over indy, 31-28, and Favre will retire champ. Hey, it could happen

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Indy 31 GB 10
Indy 31 Dallas 21
NE 38 GB 21
NE 44 Dallas 28

I don't see it being close no matter what.

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Someone could roll on Brady's knee last game of the season, when the game is already won, and him being in there is retarded. Could happen that easy, because you know the Pats will try to win everygame, even if it doesn't matter.

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The year the Stealers won it, they wern't the best team. Bengals should have beat them, they were playing hotter then anyone, and I think they would have won it all. First drive, Palmer goes down, one little play, its all over. Then Bettis fumbling on the one yard line like that, Stealers lucked out there. Not even going to talk about the SB, cause that was one of the worst called games ever haha. But ya, the Stealers wern't the best team, but they were the luckiest.

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I am starting to think that the NFL pays off some referees or has them call games certain ways. Some of the calls are ridiculous, even after instant replay. The Colts president Bill Polian has too much power over the refs. He got that chuck rule instituted because Harrison got owned by the Patriots LBs while he was trying to run routes. That wasn't the case for years. Now you can run free until you catch the ball once you get past 5 yards and your QB is in the pocket (QB outside of the pocket you can throw WRs on the ground basically). Fucking crazy rule.

The Steelers would beat the Packers/Cowboys ass too. The NFC is fucking weaksauce.

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The Nfl has a lot to gain the the Pats aer 15-0. The last game of the season is on NFL network. A 15-0 team trying to make history will make A LOT more money then a team that is 14-1 and just resting players in the last game. Not saying the NFL is making the Pats win, but that they have a lot to gain if they are playing for 16-0 the last game.

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Season stats mean jack and shit in the playoffs. It's all about the matchups. The colts lost a few key players on defense. Dallas is proving with every week that they can't guard the pass. Same is true for the Pats and their running defense. The Packers will have the best defense among the final 4 teams. Mark my words.


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The Cowboys are also missing something the other three teams have, a proven winner at QB. Favre, Brady, and Manning are all SB winners. Not wanting to take anything away from Romo(he really reminds me of Favre 12 years ago lol, and I think he is going to be a great QB) but he really doesn't have much big game experence, and that is big in the playoffs.

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Season stats mean jack and shit in the playoffs. It's all about the matchups. The colts lost a few key players on defense. Dallas is proving with every week that they can't guard the pass. Same is true for the Pats and their running defense. The Packers will have the best defense among the final 4 teams. Mark my words.


Packers have a soft schedule and the offenses they have faced this year aren't anything near world beating. Most of the teams they have beaten are one dimensional at best. The only really good offense they have faced this year is Dallas. Minnesota has a crap pass O and they lost to the Bears (who the fuck keeps kicking to Hester?). I do agree that their health issues seem not too serious at the moment. The Colts lost Freeney, they will be fine elsewhere as long as Bob Sanders doesn't go on IR. NE will probably do different things schemewise in the postseason anyways.

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And the Pats had a really tough divison schedual, who wants to play the jets, fins and bill twice a year? Not I, those are almost 6 guarented loses!

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