Please Ponuh, go on.

you duplicate things with a cardboard box

Do you have a website that has them all or do you happen to have treasures from my childhood on your harddrive?

i just went to google and typed 'calvin duplicator comic' lol.

I know the immediate result isn't an adult cow that is exactly the same. You have the same DNA which is still very important along with how they raise the cow afterwards. Hence the corn fed vs grass fed thing. That would probably be the main factor after the DNA part of things is taken care of.

I know cloning isn't magic asshat.

http://bio.org/foodag/animals/

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I think the point that Ponuh is trying to get at is: How safe do we really know the whole cloning process, and any meat procured from the cloned animals will be? I know that I'm not going to be the first guinea pig in line to eat cloned meat and find out what side-effects, if any, it will have on me. There's super villian orgins that begin this way

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I know I won't be the first to eat that stuff. It is expensive lol. By the time it is actually affordable, we will know enough for me to actually eat the cloned beef.

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So I don't get Ponuh's argument. Since the cows might be raised differently, cloning cows wouldn't be acceptable? Like since I might crash MY Honda, no Honda's should ever be made?

Granted the cow has good "parents" the outcome of the final beef is determined more by the food, and what horromones or protiens they are stuffed with, being cloned or not.

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Some of these latest replies are just completly dumb. My goodness what a waste of my time.

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And posting didn't add to the waste of time at all did it?

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Non-cloned cows are subject to be pumped with the same chemicals and hormones that cloned cows might receive. Cloning just ensures good genetics. The government is close to approving milk and dairy products from cloned cows.

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Not as much as reading moronic posts.

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didn't know you were such an expert on cloning Kioto

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The only thing I have ever cloned was bud. That isn't truly cloning though.

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Not at cloning, but maybe at super villains or villians as you say. I'm no expert at anything really, i was more so referring to Denchi's inability to understand, it was a nice attempt at an analogy though.

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I thought you were basically saying that you know what goes into cloning animals and that it's completely harmless and in most ways even healthier, and that any risk involved is based soley on the conditions of how the cloned animal was raised. If you can say that, and have all the research and factual evidence to back it up, than I have no problems with you telling me that my opinion and concerns are "just dumb."

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Oh, sorry my analogy wasn't up to par with your standards.

Ponuh doesn't even seem to be arguing ANYTHING, he just keeps responding to other people's posts and picking out semantics to disagree with. Such as "Beef is Beef." Then he goes on to argue that Beef that comes from a test tube must be pumped full of more chemicals than "regular" beef. He also seems to know a lot about beef.

Either way, nothing said has anything to do with the process of cloning, which is what Eternus is saying. If you can clone a cow, and somehow restrain yourself from pumping it full of chemicals (which, again, has nothing to do with the cloning process itself) then maybe you'd have good cloned meat? Aren't there test tube babies too? Are they genetically enhanced to be more moist? Or how about a Honda? The logic used to say that cloned meat will be bad simply because of how it's manufactured afterwards doesn't seem to be very logical. Much like how a HONDA could be considered bad if a manufacturing plant fucked things up or skimped on material. It's not the fault of the blue prints or the HQ, it's the fault of the manufacturing plant. HONDA HONDA HONDA HONDA HONDA

You both are geniuses!!!!!! EPEEN+10 congrats! I feel smarter now, thanks Denchi!

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Break down the Honda analogy for me. For someone who is supposedly getting a degree that involves forming arguments you aren't making a whole lot of sense.

I wrote a lengthy post explaining something’s that go into cloning, but i realized it's not worth debating with you guys, because it'll always come down to opinion, and even though i could be right/wrong what difference will it make? I think you guys should spend a few minutes reading up on cloning and understanding the different types of cloning and their processes. It's sad jimmy that you took offence in what i said, and it's ever worst Denchi that you went on with your car analogy, but to each his own.

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If everyone here is just going to read the wikipedia page on cloning and debate as if we know anything about the intricacies of it, we'd might as well stop this retarded debate now. As far as I know, none of us are educated in bioengineering so we're all going to be arguing from our asses.

My Honda analogy? *sigh*..... ok

Essentially, if you compare a Cow to a Honda Accord, you can apparently, now, duplicate both of those things. You can take a cow, clone it, and then raise it and hopefully it will be exactly like the thing you were trying to clone, or create. If we're talking about cloning here (or, the process of obtaining and executing the means by which you recreate something) then science seems to say that cloning is a very real possibility, and in fact we've done it. We also have the means to recreate a Honda Accord.

If a cow that is cloned, after the cloning process has taken place, is tampered with, injected with chemicals, etc, that has nothing to do with the cloning process itself (Unless, of course, the chemicals are the only way the clone could survive). If you want to argue about whether or not the actual cloning process could be called "Chemical alteration" then you could, because I don't know anything about that.

So....since we have the technology to recreate an Accord, and, if done correctly, the end product would be a perfect thing we call "Accord." But, if for some reason a manufacturing plant fucks things up or en-route to a dealership the Accord is altered or broken or crashed then it would no longer be the thing "Accord" that we had hoped to duplicate, it would be a broken/tampered with Accord.

So in the same way that the cloning process of a Cow is said to be flawless, the mere fact that chemicals COULD or WOULD be injected into a cow has no bearing on whether or not the process of CLONING was successful. That would have to do with how the cow was treated after cloning was complete. Kinda like how if you were to treat a Honda Accord poorly, then it would be no fault of the original design.

Could you find flaws with the original design of an Accord? Sure. The same way that you might find flaws with the original process of cloning. But nothing said here, so far, has anything to do with the actual process of cloning.

If you wanna argue semantics go ahead. But I don't see how you could miss the point of what I'm trying to say. If I was gonna write a dissertation on this I probably wouldn't have used the same analogy lol.