Bush has a plan for it.

Kerry plans to steal Bush's and doesn't know the specifics.

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100 years from now Bush will be known only as "The Texan Who Caused The World To Hate USA & Didn't Give A Damn What The World Thought"

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Whisp how do YOU know?


I want access to your time machine.

And the world always hated America. We just hated them back.

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Not sure why you think this.

But anyway I don't "know" what people will think in 100 years, but that's what they think right now and I can't possibly see Bush making amends. My sources are: personal experience in Barbados, friends' experiences in Italy and Malta, chatting in foreign rooms on Yahoo Chat, and polls taken worldwide and posted on Yahoo Elections.

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We won't know the outcome of this for 10-20 years. At that point in time we can pass judgement. But France hated us well before any of this. Germany was the country that surprised me, honestly. Italy did not like us, nor did any country in the Middle East.

But hey, Asian countries liked us, and still do(as a country, not people).

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an attitude that affects most of the world isn't something we should wait 20 years to think about. passing constant judgment, good or bad, is crucial

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But relying on what the rest of the world thinks to make our own decisions isn't really a great idea either. Since when does the rest of the world have OUR best interest in mind? Most countries would rather see us fall.

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its wise to be cautious of other countries but its also wise to build a respectable reputation. we need to find a balance between the two. bush lacks in understanding that balance. his philosophy of demolition first / ask questions later / isn't really in the spirit of that balance. and it has started a huge slide in respect. i mean, in the end, the iraq war was a mistake. everyone expect bush himself admits that. an apology to the families of the 6000+ innocent citizens of iraq that bush "pushed down" would be a start. but we won't get any apology from bush. because he's steadfast in his "resolve." lol

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I guess im gonna quip in.

1st off let me start by making this statement.

Never has a country exsisted before with so much power and has shown as much restraint in using that power and using it also for the good of the world.

Trust me, if the Romans would of had this kind of power the Arab world would not exist right now.

I can also say that as an Englishman who lives in America, i really dont give a shit about what countries like France and Germany say or think about us. They have allready stated that even if kerry were to be elected that they would still not help in Iraq.

The reasons Bush gave to go to war with Iraq were based on poor Intelligence, but i dont think it was a mistake to go in there and remove Saddam, yes there are always casualties of war, maybe most of you would have rather the UN sanctions continued indefinatley, this over time would have killed far more Iraqis than this short War. Now Iraq is free sanctions are lifted and free enterprise will inevitably take hold and make the country flourish.

All you see on the Daily news is the bad news just because it makes good television, but the news does not show the thousands of iraqis signing up to the new security forces so that they can do their part in ensuring their freedom, or the children going back to school and women who have equal rights. I ask why is the good news never shown by the news media?

Kerry says he has a plan, he says he will bring other countries back into the fold, i'm sorry but i dont think he can pull it off, how are you going to convince anyone when you say that this is the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time?

Time and again Kerry has been inconsistant. I could hardly believe it when he said Bush sent in the forces without all the neccessary equipment to get the job done, and we all should know by now that Kerry himself voted against an additional $87 billion to fund extra body armor for the troops and other provisions that they needed.

On a different subject, his plan is to roll back Tax's for those people who make over $200K a year. These people allready pay far and above their fair share of the tax burden, like over 70% if i remember correctly. These are the people who employ other people. So to raise their taxes will in the end effect everyone, they will either cut jobs or raise the cost of the products and services that they provide, unfortunatley kerry and his people dont have the foresight to know this.

So no i would not ever vote for kerry, but ive allready said that Bush will win, and then in 4 years we all know that Hillary Clinton will get in.........and that is gonna be a whole other can of worms.

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its not just france and germany that think bush's philosophy of actin' on a gut feelin' is childish and unpresidential. most of america realizes this too. even lifelong repub voters are sick of it--both of my parents for instance came to that conclusion separately. sure saddam was supposed to be an asshole who picked a fight with a neighboring country and oppressed his own people. but we can't just go halfway around the world to bulldoze a country on an opinion.

picture an ant farm. if Georgy and Tony from down the street came over, smashed the ant farm to bits, pulverizing some of the ants, then proceeded to point and say, "Looky here Tony I done freed dem ants! Woo hoo I'm a hero!" would it be justified? of course the rest of the neighborhood would be frowning.

i won't feel safe until we stop pretending we are the world police. why do you think they want to build nuclear weapons..? Because WE have nuclear weapons!

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POLL RESULTS (KERRY-BUSH)
Norway: 74%-7%
Germany: 74%-10%
France: 64%-5%
Italy: 58%-14%
Spain: 45%-7%
UK: 47%-16%
Canada: 61%-16%
Mexico: 38%-18%
Brazil: 57%-14%
China: 52%-12%
Japan: 43%-32%
Indonesia: 57%-34%
India: 34%-33%

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3640754.stm

Almost every country polled would vote in Kerry instead of Bush. What is it that the rest of the world sees that Americans can't?

Once again, we can not let OTHER countries make the decisions for our country.

I only really *detest* Kerry because of the books he wrote and the way he acted about Vietnam. Everything else is him just being a bad politician. Other countries don't care about *any* of that. They care about making themselves stronger, or their competition weaker. No country is out for the good of the world, but merely the good of themselves.

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I think that is a really cynical way of looking at the world. I guess you can speak for Americans, but don't speak for the rest of the world. There are few other countries that make such a huge decision unilaterally, maybe because the U.S has yet to realize they don't own the world.

My point is not that you should let other countries decide for your country, it is that the U.S is one of the only countries that would elect a man like Bush.

I've watched all the debates and I am in awe that there is even one person in your country that would vote for Bush. I don't LOVE Kerry, but he is really the only logical choice! I don't see how he is wishy washy. I think the problem is that republicans see only in black and white, and Kerry (thankfully) can see in shades of grey.

Kerry was voted the most liberal man in America at one time. He sees only Blue.

And can you possibly believe France and Germany wanted us to succeed? Of course they hate Bush, he cut of their oil. Kerry isn't very logical at all, but he appeals to people who hear what they want to hear in America...because he says everything and the people just hear what they agree with.

And Bush clearly won the second debate. Kerry's medical plan is terrible(oh, despite the fact that it means huge profit for Canada), as are his plans for Iraq.

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i wasn't alive back during the vietnam war era, but i dont see anything wrong with kerry telling the truth about war atrocities. maybe if our stupid war-mongering military leaders and personnel had listened to kerry, we wouldn't have had to live through the embarrassment of the POW tortures a few months ago. we should face the fact that *some* of our military is corrupt. i have no idea why people interpret kerry as saying *all* of our military is corrupt.

The good of the world leads to the good of themselves. This is the central idea of hedonism: being selfless is the most selfish stance of all because of its payoffs in the end. Peace, trust, security, respect. We should stop supporting Israel, remove our troops from the Middle East asap, open all trade lines, remove any sanctions, provide them with aid, and offer an apology. In the meantime we need to find a way to stop being dependent on the Middle East for oil without tearing up Alaska.

I watched the debate from the only TV on the island, and I would say they both came out about the same as they were before, except now we know Bush likes to interrupt hosts.

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I don't think France or Germany particulary cares if you succeed or not. I agree with Kerry that it was not a last resort, like it should have been. But now that you guys are there, I hope you do succeed and I support your troops (i.e, I hope they are safe and can come home as soon as possible).


Also, I'm not sure how the term is used in the U.S, but what is so bad about being a liberal?? I'm glad this was brought up, because I need someone to clarify to me why this is bad.

Also, I though it was hilarious when George Bush was like, "I want to make sure the medication cures you, not kills you." What is so scary about Canadian drugs?

yeah the BBC in notoriously towards the left, as are most of those countries that are listed have a very biased media.

Im not saying that the US should police the world, but i would rather we fight the islamic terrorists in Iraq and afghanistan then here on our doorsteps.

You are in awe that people would vote for Bush? I am in Awe that anyone would vote for kerry after reviewing his voting record, over 90 times he has voted for tax increases - that kind of record can not be simply ignored.

Being liberal used to be ok, but the Republicans have used the term to describe the far far left now in such a way that many of them dont like the term being used to descibe them.

On the drugs thing i guess what he is trying to say is that we need a system in place to ensure that what we would be importing is what we are actually paying for and not some concotion of substances that do not meet up to FDA standards. Imgaine ordering some heart medicine and then getting it and it being nothing more than a placebo. this is what i think he is trying to insure does not happen.

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This is just rhetoric. Of those 90 votes, the majority were for increases on specific products (including tobacco and alcohol). Plus, this number is inflated because it includes all votes within a given debate, including those that are procedural (eg, a vote to end the debate - which has nothing to do with raising taxes). So what happens is Bush throws out this number to horrify Americans who won't even bother to research the truth.

princess, there is a 3-headed hydra monster in america. his name is Hannity-Limbaugh-O'Reilly. if you listen to the way he says Liberal, you'll understand how its become a derogatory term.

the L is kinda drawn out and there is no E, like l-l-l-l-l-ibrals
as in, "The damn l-l-l-l-l-ibrals want you to think the world is crashing around us."

You should listen to Hannity. He's the best/worst at brainwashing and lying. He and Limbaugh try to play the religion card a lot. O'Reilly is a different breed, very very smart, but paranoid and extremely stubborn. They all seem to think Hillary Clinton is Satan incarnate (no idea why) and that she will signal the end of the world in 2008, hence No offense Dinav, but do you follow the 3-headed hydra? if not i bet your sources do. but even if she runs for president, why would that be bad?

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Kerry did not "expose" war atrocities. He lied about them. In his book he wrote about people who had died in war and the multiple atrocities they did. None of them happened. He used it as a propaganda to A. Make Money and B. Further his political Career.

Oh, that's not that big of a deal, except that he used the names of REAL people that worked with him in the war. How would you like some asshole from a Kennedy Family coming back and exploiting and lying about your husband and destroying his reputation for their own gain?

And Kerry was hardly noble. When he "chose" to become anti-Vietnam, ~85% of Mass. was against it. He just wrote books and led demonstrations and gained political prestige by exploiting the majority. And he's doing the same thing now.

"When I spoke against the war, I was speaking to an anti-war group. When I spoke for the war, I was speaking to a pro-war group. That is not flip-flopping, that is pandering; and this country deserves a president that knows the difference!"

Love SNL.

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I was almost peeing my pants this week watching SNL. I like Kerry, but that doesn't stop me from laughing my head of at this line. They do Kerry and Bush better than ever this year!! I might like the guy doing Bush this year better than Will Ferrell....I know that is heresy but I had to say it!!

Now, back on topic...

I'm not so sure. I loved Will Ferrel's Bush(oh god).

But I love their Dick Cheney more than anyone.

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lol, yes, their Dick Cheney is very very good. I love it when then do debate spoofs and political stuff - that is usually their best material.

it's actually in the senate records, it's fact. True i have not read everyone of those bills, but i think we pay more than enough taxes in this country and the government just keeps wanting more and more, keep in mind the Fact that the income tax was supposed to be a temporary measure. Once a tax is in place it's extemly inlikely that that tax will ever end.

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