you know, theree is a book my english teacher was telling me about called "nigger" its about 150 pages of what a nigger was then what a nigger is now and what a nigger will be. i havent read it, but i assume it would have some history on the word.

"Nigger" by Randall Kennedy

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Xiona-isms are always wise words.

I party with black ppl all the time...they dont give a shit about being called a nigga/nigger. But...if you are racist...which is easily seen...of course they will hate you. Just depends on who YOU are....

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Meh, some black kids tried to make us move from where we were sitting before school this morning, it was funny. We ended up moving entually cuz the fat ones were gonna sit on Armani lol

My friend at work was telling me about his friend who had a black lab named Nigger, I would imagine shouting his name in the public parks around atlanta and trips to the vet made for some interesting encounters. ^^

i am so naming my next dog nigger.

neva had a problem when i say it, never even really thought about it when i say it... I've never seen anyone ever been chastizied for saying it except a white guy...

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what did the white people do to black people in history?.. HMMMMMM I WONDER
(and chinese, mexicans, native american, etc etc)

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that's some played out shit, people have controlled people for ages no matter what color (Cortez (Spanish) vs. the Aztecs, the catholic church, Sunni/Iraq etc. etc), the animosity towards the white race of today holds little to no merit because I (as a white/caucasian) never shot an indian, never whipped a black person, nor have my grandparents. I just see through the bullshit. I mean sure let's not forget the mistakes, but the white race (as well as the other races that helped the white race during this time) did this over a century ago. This is like someone of Jewish descent still holding an animosity towards anyone German today. The N word has changed significantly in culture, and so has the attitude of the white man, and right now the race card can not be played against me, so anyone can drop that bullshit when they enter the door or meet me in person.

take a deeper look into history before you post about what whites have done, did you know that 1 tribe would capture another and sell them to white slave traders? we definately werent innocent but neither were the same africans who sold out their neighboors.

white men have been oppressors due to catholisim and something called "white mans burden" which states its the white mans burden to enlighten and convert all others to believing in jesus and god. while white men enslaved black people, egyptians enslaved far more than any white. face it the building of industrialized nations relied soley on slavery, no matter what nation you speak about. yes a concentration of those nations were white, but not all of them were.

lack of education has lead to the current racial stigmas we face. its our inability to realize what happened and go on from there from all stand points that prevents us from coming together like we should. other nations have been able to do this, but for some reason americans cant move on. its the american mindset of "i deserve this, im owed this" that hinders our growth.

dont worry though, by the year 2050-2100 american society will have racially mixed enough so that there arent anyone one specific racial back ground. white population numbers are decreasing, because as a nation were intermingling like a melting pot. american life was and is built on the backs of slaves. weither it be real slavery, or low class workers like today its how capitalism works. the many bust their ass off so that the few can become and maintain wealth. but by this happening it gives the power of control to the lower class. yes thats right, if the low class workers organized together (a pyramid union system) then they could stop production of goods, forcing the few wealthy people to make changes that the lower class wants. unfortunately the high class have devised a way to keep us competing with each other preventing organization of such a large scale.

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That's true Xiona. I bet if we just stopped teaching about slavery in school that none of this would come up in future generations. I don't mean forgetting about it completely but I think that's a lot where it comes from. Maybe MTV too.

MTV = music television, MUSIC VIDEOS, I remeber leaving my TV on this station as it cycled through countless videos.

MTV now = where's the fucking music videos, everytime I even flip it to that station it's some person I could give a fuck about doing some contest or getting eliminated or some rich person in Orange County California that "thinks" they have issues or eliminating a date by inspecting a room or getting an actual chance of getting MADE into something that they say was their lifelong dream....FUCK MTV, where's the music videos? IF MTV went back to their original formula then I guarantee their ratings would skyrocket but corporations and advertisers now control it to where any new, cutting edge, creative music can never make it and we see the same 10 music videos played in rotation for months. MTV2 still has some merit but now it is even becoming a weak shell of what it was once intended. I swear if some rich tycoon made a new station that played only music videos Viacom's little MTV would be mudslided as people turned the channel to what really matters, MUSIC, so yea fuck MTV.

lol america is so stupid

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I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. But since everyone was talking about black people I figured i could offer some insider information... since... well... im black.




Let me try to clear things up for you.(Xiona) Say you have a little brother who annoys you day in and day out. You get so tired of him poking you and asking stupid stupid questions, you decided to name him Doofus.

At breakfast, you greet him with a nice slap on the head and say: "Morning Doofus"... When you come home from school you yell out "You start your homework yet, doofus?". And, when you go out at night you say: "Later doofus, tell mom and dad im at the mall."

It may seem like all fun and games to you... But say one day your brother comes home from school sad and upset because kids were picking on him, calling him a Silly Doofus.

You're telling me you wont get mad? You're telling me you wont be offended? I mean, by your logic, if YOU can call him a doofus, then the WHOLE WORLD can call him doofus.

It works almost the same way with black people. If i call a black person that im close friends with a filthy nigger, then im most likely joking around. If i hear a white person call my best friend a filthy nigger, you best believe that theyre going to hear from me about it.

...Things just dont work that way. And just because one black person doesnt mind hearing the N word by white people, doesnt mean we ALL have to listen to it.

Grow up and stop acting like all Black people are the same. You're just making it obvious that you're more ignorant than the people you're talking about.

(and for the record, i dont use the word nigga that much. Only when im singing a rap song, or joking around.)

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I would hardly say he wins. there was nothing ignorant in what Xiona said.

Fact is that "nigger", regardless of the technical defination of it, it is now concidered a negitivism for the african-american culture. And shortening to something like "nigga" doesn't make it ok. And to make it unacceptable for 1 creed of person, and not another is just hypocritical. That is what Xiona is saying. That does not make him ignorant.

Point in case. I'm gay. Severus is a big ole' homo too. Now we can't stand there and call eachother dirty faggots, or some shit one day, then get pissed at you for calling us it the next. Just because we are part of that culture doesn't mean we can be hypocrites. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

But if as a culture you want to stand against such things like having to hear such a word being used, then you need to work on the issue from within your own culture first. Meaning that it isn't even "ok in a rap song" or some shit. Or you will always have people that will look at you and say "are you fucking serious, get over yourself" basically in thier head, when they see the lame double standards you view as acceptable.

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i think im far from ignorant. now dont get me wrong here, i dont go using any form of "nigger" in any conversation unless im in the car and spittin out parts to a rap / hip hop song.

in regards to calling my brother doofus, i cant see in any way shape or form why i would get mad at anyone mocking him with the same terminology i use. i call him something because something he does or the way he acts dictates it in my opinion. now if i see it, others see it to and will most likely react the same way.

but this isnt even a good comparison because its not like my brother was called something for years, then wants to be free of this steriotype and trys to break free of the stigma of the socital views on him all the while calling himself the same thing he was ridiculed for.

if you want the society to see you, the individual, as something that isnt characterized by your particular steriotype (this applies to any racial, or physical steriotype), then to call yourself and or people classified in the same group something that was used to define the steriotype youre being hypocritical, pompus, and well ignorant.

ero is gay, so is severus. if they are openly making jest about being a "fag", then turn around and scould you for saying what theyre saying then what that does is perpetuates the steriotype but also takes credibility away from them and their attempts to break free from the stigma. if you dont take the meaning of the word seriously then why should the rest of the world?

there are more ways to define yourself as a black man and reinforce the positive you represent. yes there are many positive steriotypes of every culture, but by using and continually recycling the same negative steriotypical slander you bring the progression level down. almost every black man that ive met has a certain rythmn to their moves. why not feed a steriotype like that and create a cultural word that enhances the positives of that? whats the point of using a symbol of hatred to classify people close to you? "Nigga" and all its forms doesnt ignite unity, it only create seperation from what you want to be seen as and what you actually are portraying to the world.

by the way, i only said any of this because i really and truely want to see everyone of all colors succeed. i may be white but i dont harbour the same classic "oppressive" feelings, i like to talk about everything no matter how sensitive. we are the future of the world, how we initiate dialogs about sensitive issues reflects exactly how the world will be when our children are in control.

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I agree with you on that statement Eromonos, but what i dont agree with is this: By your logic, you think that if a black refers to another black person as a nigga, then so can whites. Yes, that would be true if all blacks did it, but we dont. I dont say it, and my closest black friends dont either. So if you were to come up to me, and jokingly call me a nigger, i would be offended. I dont care which black friend you have that says it. Fact is, i dont say it, and i expect you to have enough respect to not say it to me either.

And joking around about homosexuals isnt really the same thing as joking around with the N word. Because as far as im concerned, Homosexuals werent slaves, they werent 2nd class citizens, they werent hung(or hanged w/e), they werent murdered, and they certainly werent the object of ridicule by almost every culture for 100's of years.

People forget that the Jim Crow laws were only abolished maybe 40 years ago. That means alot of our parents who lived in the states were growing up in the days of segregation, and inequal rights. Which also means that alot of kids (today) were raised by people who maybe arent "openly" racist, but still are prejudiced against blacks. Even my spanish girlfriend was raised that way. She has told me many stories about how her mother and father would tell her how bad black people are. And honestly, i wasnt allowed in her house for the first few months that we were dating.

Now im not saying homosexuals never had to deal with prejudice, because i certainly know they do, but i believe that its not on the same scale as blacks.

And another thing, last time i checked, words used in the english language are allowed to have different meanings... right?

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homosexuals were and still are killed for being gay. yes there are words in the dictionary that have different meanings, but when a word has impacted a culture with negativity any spin offs dictate the same meanings no matter how much you "try" to make it positive.

i do understand what you mean, not all black people use the word or any dirivitive. but the major factor is its main stream, when negativity becomes mainstream it further enhances the stigma. my question is, are you equally offended when you hear a black person say it as a white person or anyone of a different background other than african heritage.

when you allow one set of people access to a term and shun others you lose credibility when you say "that word offends me". when its not the word that offends you, its the color of the person who uses it... therefore making you racist. im not saying you are, im just breaking it down from my point of view. some people may say "so what if im racist, you were racist to me years ago", and that arguement springs from ignorance. you cannot move forward if you are continually playing the you did it so i can do it cycle.

facts are every race, color, and religion has blood on their hands... some is recent others is caked in and dried from all the years passed. not one heritage has a clean track record when it comes to injustice, prejudice and intollerance. the past teaches you so you can make tomorrow a better place. i can fully understand the hatred an african american would harbor for a caucasian. but acting upon such hatred instead of moving forward and attempting to make it so things of that nature never happen again will only leave us in a cultural clash until weve all screwed each other 1 color.

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wow you are so blinded by your feeling of oppression. Are you fucking serious?

A. not all gay men call eachother faggots, or refer to others within the culture using negitive words to decribe the culture. It's a mix just like within the african american culture.

B. Homosexuals weren't second class citizens? Homosexuals wheren't killed for being homosexual? they arn't the object of ridicule by cultures for 100s of year? Again I ask, are you fucking serious?

Homosexuals are STILL second class citizens, denied many rights. Not just marrage but that is a major one. A homosexual can be with someone for years and have thier lover die, and thier family could contest the will, and due to not being married win and take everything. I speak from experience. Hell our own president issued a bill to PREVENT our equal rights when certain states where allowing it.

Homosexuals STILL get killed for being homosexual. And even in the past, was a large part of the holocaust as well. If you were found to be homosexual, you were sent to your death just as well.

Homosexuals also to this day are ridiculed for being gay. Discriminated against, ect.

C. Why is it when you go to anywhere else in the world you don't have these self rightious people of african decent? Go to england, you don't have all this racism and reverse racism. It's mainly an American thing, over the bad blood of the past. Slavery was a horrible thing, and many laws was passed to ensure equal rights and fight discrimination, and to allow them to have the "opportunities" that everyone has. Weither they choose to push for them or not is souly on the individual, not even as a sub-culture, because anyone can make more of thier life by fighting those stereotypes.

Now i don't condone or support anything of what happened in the past, and am FAR from racist, but african americans are just as racist, and you have people that are born free, and didn't not have any part of segrigation, or anything still feeling "oppressed" by the past. And i HATE to say this, but man really, don't forget your past, since it's what makes us as the human race what we are today, but really, what the fuck. More than Half of these people today making the huge deals about oppression and such are from people that have never experienced any of it, and are throwing it in the faces of those that had nothing to do with any of it. That's just fucked up.

There will never not be this shit until people get the fuck over the past, and work on better lives for the future. And attitudes like "well it's ok for me to say things like "nigger" to my friends since we're black" But it's ok to "joke around about homosexuals" since they weren't slaves. (the only point you made that was correct in that whole paragraph) is what is going to stop things from ever becomming unified. And in reality is just plain ignorant and hypocritical.

Personally i feel it's this simple, Don't expect to not be discriminated against if you are willing to discriminate against ANYONE yourself. Don't expect not not hear a word cuz it effects your culture negitively, if you can't get your own people within your culture to stop saying it, and for fuck sake, if you are just now being brought into this world when your culture is not struggling with the same fights as the past, and people have worked hard to prevent such things from happening again, then stop acting like you personally was the one oppressed, or use it as an out for "what was done to your people" when you need a reason for your actions.

That is one thing that always actually pisses me off. I didn't enslave you, my family didn't enslave you, infact my mothers and father's parents are straight off the boat Italian, we had nothing to do with your family's enslavement, so don't throw that shit in someone like my face. And this is the case for many. I don't see the jewish creed still hating all germans for what happened as a culture. So why is it that the african-american culture feels to use it as thier reason for everything that is wrong in thier life? I mean that is probably wrong of me to say, but really now. Everyone just needs to stop all the bullshit and get over it. Great wrongs have been commited world wide, through all of time. Doesn't excuse it, but shouldn't be the barrier stopping people from bettering themselves. There are worse things going on in this world, in and out of our own country, that people should be putting more focus on, than crimes of the past.

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i have a problem with this, call me a racist but just because your ancestors were treated wrong doesnt mean every black person was and is. Not to derail the topic at hand but it really aggrevates me when african americans feel they should get special privlages and such because there ancestors were mistreated. If anyone who is mistreated is alive today they are owed something, but people who didnt grow up in those times dont deserve anything. You dont see jews pulling that crap.

Eromonos, i respect what you have to say but there are a few faults in your arguments. I basicaly said everything that i said in a rush, because i had to go pick up my sister from school. But i'll break everything down quote by quote:



Yeah they dont. But all i was saying is that the "N" word is like an omg/gasp kinda word because theres so much hatred behind it. The "F" word makes people think of the word Fuck, not faggot. (again, i know theres alot hate against homosexuals, but in my opinion, there are more people who dislike blacks. but again, thats just my opinion)



Yes i understand homosexuals get killed for being gay. But what you didnt take into account is that homosexuals are homosexuals by choice. It's your decision to live the lifestyle that you live. Real life doesnt have a "create a character". Innocent children, wives, and families have been seperated and killed just because of their skin color. Something that they have no control over. (except maybe MJ, but who knows..)

I had an interesting conversation with my history teacher the other day. He told us to imagine that we saw a person speed by you on the highway going 70'ish miles an hour. This person was was driving a new BMW 5 series worth about $70,000-$100,000. Now imagine hes black. What do you think he did to earn that car?

4 people raised their hands. 2 said that the guy could have been a basketball player, 1 said he could have been a drug dealer, and the last said he could have stolen it. And this is a 12th grade history class, not a bunch of KKK members or some 2nd grade elementary class.

This is why black people still feel oppressed or hated.

Right off that bat, people just ASSUME that blacks only get rich off dealin', shootin hoops, or grand theft auto. That's why we complain, i know it may not be your fault. But shit like this doenst make me sleep any better at night.

It may seem like small petty bullshit to you. But think of it like this. Someone throwing a paper ball at you (by accident) doesnt seem like a bad thing. But after the 7th or 8th time someone throws it at you inadvertanly, you tend to get pissed, am i right?

I'll give you another example. My first name is Djavan. Try saying that outloud....

You're probably thinking: "wtf"? Thats names weird. How the hell do you pronounce it?

Its pronounced Juh-von. The D is silent, and the 2 a's are pronounced differently... (Djavan is a jamaican name btw. I've been called DJ since the age of 3 though.)

Now lets say i fill out an application for Starbucks.I believe the name is the thing an employer reads. Right off the bat, my chances of landing a job as decreased by tenfold. Just because i have a black name. This also applies for all the Tyrekes, Shaquanda's, Shavar's, etc etc out there.
(and for the record, every place that i've landed a job at had a black manager/employer. Coincidence? I think not)

Basically what im saying is, many homosexuals were killed for their preference in the bed. Something that like that is easy to hide. Blacks on the other hand cant hide that fact that we're black. (again, unless you're MJ...)



I can fight the stereotypes all i want. But you can never have a 2nd "first impression" on someone. Alot of white people think im a great person, even though they've never met or had a black friend before me. I'm like a 17 yr old version of will smith irl. Believe me, i dont fit into the "conventional mold" of what a non-black would think a black acts like.

OMG, im rambling. i could go on forever with shit like this. I'm not trying to get into a fucking e-peen contest about who has "the harder life" because trust me, i understand where you're comming from. Im just trying to let you know why blacks feel the way they do. Just because a black person blows up about shit that you think is small and stupid doesnt mean theyre ignorant. It just means that we're sick and tired of all the petty bullshit that we have to deal with. (and im sure you are too)

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