Doesn't that make you sad?

How so?

I was saying that religion is a factor in some areas, but I had doubts that it was the sole reason for Bush's victory. People have different priorities on how they vote - money, religion, abortion, environment. Each person weighs these differently. If your question is do I think that it is sad that a person votes based on their beliefs, then no. I think that is how the system is designed to work and if that's happening then everything is how it should be.

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A coworker of mine is actually homosexual. Who do you think he voted for?

He voted for Bush.

Why?

According to him, the big picture is more important than just to have gay marriage. He doesn't care how the country wants to word the term of same sex marriage/union. All he cares is as long as he receives the same rights as other marriage couples, he's fine with it. He didn't vote for Kerry for the obvious reason - possible increase tax.

Kerry lost on his foregin policy (asking european countries for ally? ha ha ha); Kerry lost on his domestic policies (free health care for low income company so the middle class family can pay for it? another ha ha ha).

Anyways, we'll have 4 years to see how Bush will do this time. Good or bad, only time will tell.

PS: US has never changed a war-time president according to statistic

I don't quite get how your healthcare system works.

Like, last Friday I went to the doctor because I've been having really bad headaches and getting lightheaded. And then I went to get an x-ray of my neck because I have really bad neck pain which triggers my headaches.

If I lived in the U.S, would I have to pay for that?

Unless you had insurance, yes.

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How do you get insurance?

YAY bush....... YAY kerry -_-; this is what you call a lose, lose situation :!: oh well GO bush i guess..

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Just like you'd get car insurance, house insurance, etc. You find a company (or in many cases it's provided for a monthly fee by your place of work) and get a policy. Pay the fees and when the shit hits the fan you're covered.

For example, I work for Boeing IDS. They provide health insurance to their employees for a discounted rate. Every month that is taken out of my paycheck. When I got to the doctor I just show them my insurance info and they bill that company. Of course since this is insurance, I have a small deductable I pay.

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Either through paying a health care provider a monthly fee or getting t through your employer. One note though is response to your question about having to pay for an x-ray, it depends. Some plans make you pay for your lab work. Other plans do not, but you have to go to specific labs that are sanctioned by your provider. You also have to typically meet a deductable on out of pocket expense. Most doctor visits, hospital visits and prescription drug plans only require a co-pay as payment for a service. For instance if you had a plan that said PCP visits had a co-pay of 30 dollars, then you pay 30 dollars at the time of the visit. There are a lot of variations in plans.

You pay for your Health Insurance too, Princess. It's part of the Income Tax they take out of your check.

Well, I guess at least we don't have millions of Canadians who aren't covered.

The problem is that the government right now can't even guarantee that I'll see a penny out of Social Security right now. I don't want them in charge of my health care :D

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on CNN they said poll results show the #1 concern of voters was Morality Issues. i'm not saying it's the sole reason, of course! just the main reason.

also, see http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/templ ... l/id/17590


it's also interesting to note the 7 smartest states according to morganquinto.com (massachusetts, connecticut, vermont, new jersey, wisconsin, new york, minnesota) all voted the same way, while the 7 dumbest states (new mexico, nevada, arizona, mississippi, louisiana, alaska, and alabama) all voted the opposite way.

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Exit poll from MSNBC:

Votes based on salary

<$15,000/year 63% Kerry, 35% Bush, 1% Independent
$15,000-$29,999/year 58% Kerry, 41% Bush
$30,000-$49,999/year 51% Kerry, 48% Bush
$50,000-$74,999/year 44% Kerry, 55% Bush, 1% Independent
$75,000-$99,999/year 46% Kerry, 53% Bush
$100,000-$149,999/year 43% Kerry, 56% Bush, 1% Independent
$150,000-$199,999/year 43% Kerry, 57% Bush
>$200,000/year 37% Kerry, 62% Bush


So I guess all the rich idiots voted for Bush while the smart poor people voted for Kerry huh?

Edit: What was the point of that last paragraph if not to say that Kerry voters are some how intellectually superior to Bush supporters? That's nothing more than flame bait unless you provide details on the average education level of the people who actually voted.

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The chart is actually pretty good and explains exactly how I would vote if the American government doesn't only charge me tax for the past 5 years without giving me a citizenship already. No one wants tax raise on them except the low incomes since they can't get charged anymore!!

Those so called "Smart States" go by the education of the schools not by the people who are living in them. Its how good the schools are and how those kids do on tests and how reputable the colleges are.

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infer what you will but there was nothing incorrect about what i said

Also, for those who want stats on education level taken from msnbc:
No college degree: 47%Kerry, 53%Bush
College grad: 49%Kerry, 49%Bush
Postgraduate study 55%Kerry, 44%Bush


So even though it shows smarter voters vote Kerry, and more educated people vote Kerry, I'll play the devil's advocate. I'm not sure what factors morgan quinto used to determine smartest and dumbest states, but I know from experience that education level does not determine if a person is smarter or dumber than another person. Of the educated people I've met, I've met just as many open-minded intellects as stubborn elitists who think they're smart but they really aren't.


They have some interesting stats on http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5297138/

Married people 42%Kerry, 57%Bush
Gay or Bi people 77%Kerry, 23%Bush
Most important issue: Morals
Those who voted on morals: 18%Kerry, 80%Bush
Those who voted based on candidate intellect: 91%Kerry, 9%Bush
Those who voted based on candidate's religion: 8%Kerry, 91%Bush
The War in Iraq is part of the war on terrorism: 18%Kerry, 81%Bush
The War in Iraq is not part of the war on terrorism: 88%Kerry, 11%Bush
The more frequently you attend church the more likely you vote Bush
White Protestant Evangelical Conservative Weekly Churchgoers: 4%Kerry, 96% Bush
ALL OTHER VOTERS: 52%Kerry, 47%Bush
41% of voters were white protestants (WASPs i think they're called), and they voted Bush 2-to-1

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well i take offence to that "dumb states" remark from that stupid ass website, im from Alabama. If we are so dumb why are the best doctors in the world here? Huntsville does a lot of work for NASA and the Auto industry here is booming. Yeah our public education system sucks, but the constitution here says that you do not have a right to a free public education so meh. That poll website thing needs to take more into account than just public school levels when declaring a state dumb or smart.

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since when was the war in iraq part of the war on terror? this is news to me

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After this election i dont ever want to mention politics again for the rest of my life. case in point: this thread (I started it)

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i'm with ya man..i'm ready to forget about politics too

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NM, wrong link

I imagine it depends on your perception. Many believe that since the terrorists are busy over there trying to give the US troops and Iraqi government a black eye, that they are not over here blowing up skyscrapers. That and I imagine more than a few of them are getting blown up, which doesn't hurt my feelings in the slightest.

One other reason Iraq is grouped into the War on Terror is that one of the major premises of Bush's doctrine is that instilling Democracy in a nation creates an atmosphere that doesn't generate terrorists, but instead allows people a voice in their governance.

And then the women will want to VOTE!

Look, Whisp. Get over it. He lost. Not only did he lose, but Bush got the most votes of any president. Ever. He in uncontestedly what we want. There's no reason to complain. It's a joyous day.

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Yet I'm clearly smarter than anyone I've ever met from Mass, Conn, Vermont, NJ, Wisconsin, NY, and Minn, and I'm from Lousiana.

We have terrible PUBLIC school systems. That's *all* that's being stated here.

Also, the minority vote goes to Kerry. The minority vote is also considered the ignorant vote. Strange feeling they were not counted in the poll.

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