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 Post subject: TIME Magazine says: Rap is Dying
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:51 am 
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1653639,00.html

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Today that same market is telling rappers to please shut up. While music-industry sales have plummeted, no genre has fallen harder than rap. According to the music trade publication Billboard, rap sales have dropped 44% since 2000 and declined from 13% of all music sales to 10%. Artists who were once the tent poles at rap labels are posting disappointing numbers. Jay-Z's return album, Kingdom Come, for instance, sold a gaudy 680,000 units in its first week, according to Billboard. But by the second week, its sales had declined some 80%. This year rap sales are down 33% so far.

Longtime rap fans are doing the math and coming to the same conclusions as the music's voluminous critics. In February, the filmmaker Byron Hurt released Beyond Beats and Rhymes, a documentary notable not just for its hard critique but for the fact that most of the people doing the criticizing were not dowdy church ladies but members of the hip-hop generation who deplore rap's recent fixation on the sensational.

Both rappers and music execs are clamoring for solutions. Russell Simmons recently made a tepid call for rappers to self-censor the words nigger and bitch from their albums. But most insiders believe that a debate about profanity and misogyny obscures a much deeper problem: an artistic vacuum at major labels. "The music community has to get more creative," says Steve Rifkin, CEO of SRC Records. "We have to start betting on the new and the up-and-coming for us to grow as an industry. Right now, I don't think anyone is taking chances. It's a big-business culture."

It's the ultimate irony. Since the 1980s, when Run-DMC attracted sponsorship from Adidas, the rap community has aspired to be big business. By the '90s, those aspirations had become a reality. In a 1999 cover story, TIME reported that with 81 million CDs sold, rap was officially America's top-selling music genre. The boom produced enterprises like Roc-A-Fella, which straddled fashion, music and film and in 2001 was worth $300 million. It produced moguls like No Limit's Master P and Bad Boy's Puff Daddy, each of whom in 2001 made an appearance on FORTUNE's list of the richest 40 under 40. Along the way, the music influenced everything from advertising to fashion to sports.

The growth spurt was fueled by sensationalism. Tupac Shakur shot at police, was convicted of sexual abuse and ultimately was murdered in Las Vegas. But Shakur both alive and dead has also sold more than 20 million records. Death Row Records, which released much of Shakur's material, was run by ex-con Suge Knight and dogged by rumors of money laundering. But between 1992 and 1998, the label churned out 11 multiplatinum albums. Gangsta rappers reveled in their outlaw mystique, crafting ultra-violent tales of drive-bys and stick-ups designed to shock and enthrall their primary audience--white suburban teenagers. "Hip-hop seemed dangerous; it seemed angry," says Richard Nickels, who manages the hip-hop band the Roots. "Kurt Cobain killed himself, and rock seemed weak. But then you had these black guys who came out and had guns. It was exciting to white kids."

Hip-hop now faces a generation that takes gangsta rap as just another mundane marker in the cultural scenery. "It's collapsing because they can no longer fool the white kids," says Nickels. "There's only so much redundancy anyone can take."

Artists who never jumped on the gangsta bandwagon point the finger at the boardroom. They accuse major labels of strip-mining the music, playing up its sensationalist aspects for easy sales. "In rock you have metal, alternative, emo, soft rock, pop-rock, you have all these different strains," says Q-Tip, front man for the defunct A Tribe Called Quest. "And there are different strains of hip-hop, but record companies aren't set up to sell these different strains. They aren't set up to do anything more of a mature sort of hip-hop."

Of course, gangsta rap isn't a record-company invention. Indeed, hip-hop's two most celebrated icons, Shakur and Notorious B.I.G., embraced the sort of lyrical content that today has opened hip-hop to criticism. And the music companies, under assault from file-sharing and other alternative distribution channels, are hardly in a position to do R&D. "When I first signed to Tommy Boy, [the A&R person] would take us to different shows and to art museums," says Q-Tip. "There was real mentorship. Today that's largely absent, and we see the results in the music and in the aesthetic." That result is a stale product, defined by cable channels like BET, now owned by Viacom, which seems to consist primarily of gun worship and underdressed women.

During the past decade, record labels have outsourced the business of kingmaking to other artists. Established stars Dr. Dre and Eminem brought 50 Cent to Interscope. Jay-Z founded his own label, cut a distribution deal and began developing his own roster. But most established artists do little development. That leaves the possibility that hip-hop is following the same path that soul and R&B traveled when they descended into disco, which died quickly.

No longer able to peddle sensation, rap's moguls are switching tactics. Simmons, while still something of a hip-hop ambassador, is hawking a new self-help book. Master P, whose estimated worth was once $661 million, watched his label, No Limit, sink into bankruptcy. He recently announced the formation of Take a Stand Records, a label catering to "clean" hip-hop music. "Personally, I have profited millions of dollars through explicit rap lyrics," Master P stated on his website. "I can honestly say that I was once part of the problem, and now it's time to be part of the solution."

Chris Lighty, CEO of Violator Entertainment, whose clients include 50 Cent and Busta Rhymes, is looking at ways that record companies can work with artists in one area where rappers have been innovative: endorsement and branding. Whether it's 50 Cent owning a stake in Vitamin Water or Jay-Z doing a commercial for HP, most of these deals have been brokered by the artists' own camp. But Lighty sees in hip-hop a chance for record labels to generate more sponsorship and endorsements. "Record companies are going to have to make even better records and participate in brand extension. It's the only way they can survive," says Lighty. "We need to change the format, and this is the only way. 50 Cent is a brand. Jay-Z is a brand."

But the current hubbub over indecency poses a direct challenge to that brand strength, as the artist Akon recently discovered. While performing in Trinidad, Akon was videotaped dancing suggestively with a fan who was later revealed to be only 14. The video attracted the ire of conservatives like Bill O'Reilly. In the wake of the controversy, Akon's tour sponsor, Verizon, removed all ringtones featuring his work and retracted its sponsorship. The message was clear: Hip-hop needs a new and improved product.


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Whatever. The underground scene for hip-hop will still exist. Less noise will only make for the more innovative people who honed their craft to stick out more. Not as much cookie cutter rap to distract people from whatever substantial stuff that is trying to surface.

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Whatever. The underground scene for hip-hop will still exist. Less noise will only make for the more innovative people who honed their craft to stick out more. Not as much cookie cutter rap to distract people from whatever substantial stuff that is trying to surface.


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Yeah, I view this as a good thing for hip-hop. If this means less T.Pain and more Common or Talib Kweli, then i'll be happy.

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its cause stupid ass bitches have no kind of talent now adays.. they arent shit compared to the likes of wutang, pac, biggie, big L, jay-Z and all the greats.

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the article talks about those people Yurichan. How they aren't nearly as successful as they once were


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Well, Rap (moreso than other genres) is the biggest form of music that is pirated these days. Songs off new albums are leaked months before the CD is even announced, lol. I made that thread about Kanye West's single "Stronger" June 2nd. He didn't even shoot the video untill July. The album that the song is on isn't even out untill September. Piracy has a lot to do with declining sales in the hip-hop industry, WAY more than people may realize.


And Kingdom Come wasn't that great of an album imo, The Black Album was a million times better. Jay-Z just kinda put it out there...lol. "Show me what you got" was I think the only song he even shot a music video for.

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All the people Yuri mentioned were badass in their prime, and all had several (some many) years of non-stop good music. Hell Wu-Tang (between solo and clan) has like 50 albums out there...of course all of it isn't going to be good!

None of the new shit you hear on the radio is a fraction as good as the 90's rappers.

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Kluya wrote:

None of the new shit you hear on the radio is a fraction as good as the 90's rappers.


Quoted for absolute truth.

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Thank god. I can't stand how much of an influence rap has on kids today, with like the clothing and attitudes. I hate hearing the songs where they sing about drugs/money/guns/shooting people/etc just trying to act more gangster than they really are. I guess as long as you can churn out crap or steal someone elses's success then you'll get on MTV.

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Thank god. I can't stand how much of an influence shit like the white stripes has on kids today, with like the clothing and attitudes. I hate hearing songs where they sing about slashing wrists/crying/coloring their eyebrows/killing themselves, just trying to act way more in touch with their "emotions" than they really are. I guess as long as you can churn out crap or steal someone else's success then you'll get on MTV.

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Find me a song of the White Stripes where they talk about slashing wrists etc.

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Ulgokiem sounds like the name of an anal STD. Why anyone even listens to that douche bag is beyond me.

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lol, just pointing out that your understanding of rap music is no better than mine with the white stripes.

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Thank god. I can't stand how much of an influence rap has on kids today, with like the clothing and attitudes. I hate hearing the songs where they sing about drugs/money/guns/shooting people/etc just trying to act more gangster than they really are. I guess as long as you can churn out crap or steal someone elses's success then you'll get on MTV.


you of all people shouldn't be criticizing anything related to music.


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I'm sorry we have different tastes in music Ponuh.

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Ulgokiem sounds like the name of an anal STD. Why anyone even listens to that douche bag is beyond me.

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Lol, Ponuh and Dmitry still best friends I see.

I don't really care, the job I work in plays Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville on Sirius non stop, by which I mean the entire 9-10 hours I work each day. All music to me now is just white noise

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only rap i ever enjoyed was busta rhymes

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Lol, Ponuh and Dmitry still best friends I see.

I don't really care, the job I work in plays Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville on Sirius non stop, by which I mean the entire 9-10 hours I work each day. All music to me now is just white noise



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i just have to say... that kanye west song, with daft punk sample...(s) is fucking garbage.

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Supa i hate rap, but its a hell of alot easier for me to sympathize with eminem as a white person, who wasnt part of a family who had much money, so aslong as your stuff isnt all gangsta rap like the new crap around now, it might be worth having.

seriously music these days is so bad, i drive to work every day listening to either Tool or three days grace, because if i had the radio on id hear maybe one good song every 3 hours and the rest would be shit, and that goes for any channel.

by the way Supa. if rap dies, and you go broke, you can always try a country album that shit has some serious staying power lol, oh and if you haven't heard it, goto youtube and look for the song "You would't know" by the band HELLYEAH its the singer and bassist of mudvayne, with some guys of Damage plan and Vinnie paul of pantera on the drums. I was hoping it would kick ass, and instead i see all these heavy metal rockers in cowboy hats playing simple music with simple lyrics and i threw up in my mouth a little.



P.S If i can buy your CD somewhere without needing a debit/credit card ill buy it just to support you, so you can get outta your moms house. :-P

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