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| Author: | arlania [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:45 am ] |
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Just watched their DVD and these guys rock. Sooooooooooooo awesome. |
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| Author: | arlania [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:47 am ] |
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Best tracks - Right here in my arms Join me in death interesting fact is they are a scandanavian (sp?) goth band. Apparently over there black bands (goth bands) actually kill each other and practice dark rituals. These guys never did though. |
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:04 am ] |
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lol I see this thread is going far. ;p I have no cue who the hell these guys are. Black metal isn't really my thing anyway haha |
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| Author: | Eternus [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:21 am ] |
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She said they are goth... goth and black metal are actually different... the bands she is mentioning that kill eachother and perform satanic rituals are most likely black metal bands like Mayhem, Burzum, Emperor, etc. They are not goth (goth is much slower in tempo and not really metal either). I do not know who the band HIM is anyway, but just because someone plays dark music and wears all black and corpsepaint doesn't mean they are goth or black metal. Black metal is fast music (usually blast beats and double bass at above 200bpm) and has guitars that are trem picked usually and with treble and mids at unusually high settings for metal guitar along with higher pitched screaming vocals and some death metal like growling. Goth is usually slower and more sad, depressing music, with emotional whiny singers. Goth guitar is mainly chord based and uses downstrokes and the music is usually below 130bpm (goth has less distortion and usually doesn't have high mids or any treble boosting either). Both types of music usually have band members that look alike as both types have ppl that dress in all black wearing white face paint are usually skinny white guys. Most black metal bands now have keyboardists (early bands did not), while goth bands have usually always incorporated keyboards. |
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| Author: | Kioto [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:36 am ] |
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interesting |
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:05 am ] |
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Eternus wrote: She said they are goth... goth and black metal are actually different... the bands she is mentioning that kill eachother and perform satanic rituals are most likely black metal bands like Mayhem, Burzum, Emperor, etc. They are not goth (goth is much slower in tempo and not really metal either). I do not know who the band HIM is anyway, but just because someone plays dark music and wears all black and corpsepaint doesn't mean they are goth or black metal. Black metal is fast music (usually blast beats and double bass at above 200bpm) and has guitars that are trem picked usually and with treble and mids at unusually high settings for metal guitar along with higher pitched screaming vocals and some death metal like growling. Goth is usually slower and more sad, depressing music, with emotional whiny singers. Goth guitar is mainly chord based and uses downstrokes and the music is usually below 130bpm (goth has less distortion and usually doesn't have high mids or any treble boosting either). Both types of music usually have band members that look alike as both types have ppl that dress in all black wearing white face paint are usually skinny white guys. Most black metal bands now have keyboardists (early bands did not), while goth bands have usually always incorporated keyboards. sorry ;p I'll rephrase then, most metal doesn't appeal to me and I'm not the biggest fan of whiny singing, (It's what made Deftones go from ok at best on their first album to complete shit.) lol. This was also slightly misleading- Arlania wrote: Apparently over there black bands (goth bands) actually kill each other and practice dark rituals.
So with goth metal, you say it's 130 or less bpm. Does it actually feel like 130 bpm, or does it almost have a double time feel to it? (Bands like disturbed use slower tempos to sound heavier, playing 16th notes but accenting the slower quarter note in the rhythm section.) Also, what type of chordal structure do bands like this use? I'm sure it's not jazz. lol However with the presence of a keyboardist, I'm sure there are some interesting progressions using secondary dominants and other forms of modulation. I doubt it's just all I-IV-V or I-ii-V stuff, (the boring stuff you hear in punk all the time ;p) ------ I won't deny that there aren't a lot of talented musicians in the metal scene, and it's been that way since the 80's. I've \ just found, (through my own listening, maybe I'm just missing something or listening to the wrong bands?) that song structure for a black metal song is something like. Intro- Long drawn power chords or some sort of keyboard opening, sounds ominous, usually pretty cool. Riff A- 16th notes either a drone note or a scalar riff, punctuated by a dissonant chord, stacked tri-tones usually? Riff A subdivided into 32nd notes. Chorus Riff A Riff B (a pre-bridge section) Bridge/solo section- Maybe riff A again, but in a different key with some ridiculous shredding over top, sweep picking, two-handed tapping, tremolo picking you name it, it's all here. haha Chorus Outro- Dude screaming into the microphone, the rhythm section is about to pass out from playing thirty-second notes as quickly as they possibly can, the guitarist on his last end followed by some abrupt stop signified by a huge crash cymbal hit. Again, maybe I'm just listening to the really bad stuff. haha |
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| Author: | Eternus [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:56 am ] |
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Actually most black metal bands do not play much lead guitar at all if any. As far as chord structure for goth (don't listen to much goth).. hmm standard minor key and some variations but not much power chords.. goth usually uses actual minor chords while power chords (used in alot of metal) are more ambiguous and do not reveal whether they are minor or major. I do not hear much goth played in double time and really no 16th notes either. When I think of goth Christian Death comes to mind as a example... just depressing slow drudging music that I personally do not listen to. Black metal on the other hand I do listen to.. not all songs are structured like that, some begin with more polyrhythmic guitar accompanied with rudiment double bass with synths (early black metal did not have much synths or keyboards), while other songs begin fast with just guitar or have a drum solo intro... really depends on the band and the song. Most black metal is rife with shitty musicians (punk like blast beats and just crappy fast power chords or single notes), there are few exceptions (Dimmu Borgir, Dissection, Samael, some others I can't think of atm). Black metal when at its most generic has the ending you described with just basic power chords and cymbal crash or random divebombing guitar. While some other bands actually transition from one song to the next and the songs have endings that foreshadow the intro for the next song (drum part, just ambient synth, heavy chord progression, fast guitar and keyboard). This makes a CD actually sound like a album instead of 12 standard black metal songs with abrupt endings. Really even the better black metal bands only play lead to accompany a riff or chord progression and usually do not go into a full out guitar solo if ever. Keyboards dominate the melodic structure in most black metal now as far as being more complex than the guitar (keyboardists in these bands are usually classically inspired... or just plain rip off classical composers). For example Cradle of Filth (very cheesy and generic as they are) have a good keyboardist and amazing drummer, while their guitars do not solo but play dual lead style somewhat similar to Iron Maiden but much faster. Drummers that play more than just blast beats and crappy skank beats with assorted drum rolls are very rare.. but the former drummer of Cradle of Filth and current of Dimmu Borgir is the exception.. Nick plays more rudiments (that is what my drummer friend calls them) and does more fills and little nuances than most. damn this PC at school is fucking up and this post is too long... delay write error.. wtf haha may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection... they need to fix the hardware and ghost t |
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| Author: | Eternus [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:58 am ] |
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edit: double post.. man the computers at the lab didn't suck so bad when me and Aalan were working there OMG... they need to be formatted.... |
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:02 pm ] |
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Eternus wrote: Black metal on the other hand I do listen to.. not all songs are structured like that, some begin with more polyrhythmic guitar accompanied with rudiment double bass with synths (early black metal did not have much synths or keyboards), while other songs begin fast with just guitar or have a drum solo intro... So a lot of black metal bands fit into the "math metal" category as well? The only math metal I've heard is Messugah(sp?) and what I heard I was actually surprised. Some weird 4 against 3 shit with weird time signatures I couldn't discern (15/16 26/32, alternating beat stresses of 7/8 stuff like that.) btw Eternus why didn't you tell me you were into music like this? ;p Edit- Drum rudiments are the skills taught to beginning percussionists, applying to all percussive instruments, but taught mainly on snare drum. http://www.sleeve.com/druminstruction.htm |
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| Author: | ariaa [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:49 pm ] |
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My husband would love you right now Et. =P Terrorizer just released their annual black metal edition, which has the history of black metal and even a little demo cd. (If you can find one that hasn't been stolen already) HIM is a band that's main advertisment is in Hot Topic, so I've never given them much notice. |
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| Author: | arlania [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:46 pm ] |
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Because they are advertised you dont like them? Thats kinda um.... weird. |
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| Author: | Bulletbeast [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:04 pm ] |
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Pretty sure Meshuggah has explained that their music is almost all written in 4/4 timing, its just really crazy and plays tricks on your mind to make it think its like 3/8, 5/16 or something equally erratic. Dimmu Borgir is really the only black metal band I like, everything else i've heard is pretty terrible, poor quality usually the culprit. Oh, and Cradle of Filth - Nypmhetimine (sp?), i really love the female vocals over the keyboard, http://www.hdpvidz.com has the video, near the bottom, check it out. |
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:45 pm ] |
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Bulletbeast wrote: Pretty sure Meshuggah has explained that their music is almost all written in 4/4 timing, its just really crazy and plays tricks on your mind to make it think its like 3/8, 5/16 or something equally erratic.
I'm not that familiar with them. I've just heard some stuff in passing. A lot of my familarity with strange time signatures comes from Dream Theater, actually. One of my favorite songs of theirs, Home has a rather unusual time signature progression. The last 16 bars- 3/8 5/8 2/4 3/8 3/8 3/4 7/16// (yeah a 7 bar phrase is kind of weird, but you'll have that) leading into 19/16 19/16 19/16 6/4 // 19/16 19/16 2/4 6/16 4/4. I think... that's about the best I could get by listening the song over and over again. Try and count it out, haha. Honestly, it's stuff like this that I find amusing and entertaining in music. I'm pretty bored with conventional music, maybe I should check out some more Meshuggah to give myself something to do. |
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| Author: | Ponuh [ Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:11 pm ] |
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Is that the band that plays their instruments with their penises? |
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| Author: | ariaa [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:25 am ] |
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Nonono, b/c they're main advertisments are in Hot Topic. Its the Hot Topic part. |
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| Author: | Arim [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:19 pm ] |
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some of there songs are good, others i couldnt care for just another black metal band, cradle of filth owns them tho i love the mixture of techno and the gothicly metal shit |
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| Author: | Ilm [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:52 pm ] |
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disgusting |
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| Author: | Dozi [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:43 pm ] |
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Black Metal is awsome, Midvinter and Setheris are epic black metal. Cradle of filth is good and the obvious choice since they are the most recognizeable black metal band out there.....although Dimmu Borgir is getting pretty mainstream as well. On the satanic rituals facts......The guy from Burzum killed one of the guys from Mayhem, and somehow even tho hes in jail, burzum still is releasing albums. |
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| Author: | Ponuh [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:47 pm ] |
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Arim wrote: S??T
Quit swearing! |
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| Author: | Arim [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:48 pm ] |
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riiight |
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| Author: | Parade [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:52 pm ] |
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i swore in my location and yarr cant do anything about it |
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| Author: | Kioto [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:55 pm ] |
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I'd make a new User... Fu ck it would be the name. |
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| Author: | Parade [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:57 pm ] |
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hwy not fu ck sh it? |
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| Author: | Kioto [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:30 pm ] |
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fu ck is just good & simple. |
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| Author: | Parade [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:37 pm ] |
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gewd point |
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