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The acronymic explanation of the origin of 'fuck' takes one of two paths: Fornication Under Consent of the King or For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Dealing with the first of these, though it's pleasing to think couples looking to procreate in those Dark Old Days had to first obtain the sovereign's persmission and then post a notice of what they were up to so all the neighbors could enjoy a good snicker, a moment's thought should set that one to rest. Were the king responsible for handing out such permissions, he wouldn't have time to do anything else (or even to keep up with that one task). Likewise, though there have been times when conquering forces have engaged in rape, it wasn't by royal fiat at the behest of a king looking to further dispirit the conquered.

One last nail in the coffin of the 'fornication under consent of the king' origin comes from the word 'fornication' itself. Though many reasonably conclude fornication is the old-time word for having sex, the term specifically excludes the physical union of man and wife. One can fornicate premaritally or extramaritally, but not intramaritally. In light of this, any claim wedded couples trying to entice the stork down their chimney were granted fornication permits crashes against the rock of the wrong word being used.

Author:	Doodee [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:40 pm ]
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FUCK is actaully a real word back from the 17th (or 18th) century.. FUCK actaully stands for - Fornification Under Consent of King. so if you wanna have sex (and/or have kids). you gotta get this HUGE ASS PLAQUE from the king that says "FUCK" on it and hang it outside on your door and then you're allowed to bang your wife..

Author:	arlania [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:43 pm ]
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Interesting. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/fwordflash.html (flash is Not Work Safe.)

Author:	Talisin [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:40 pm ]
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i wonder whats on doodee's mind.. lol

Author:	Jimbean [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:58 pm ]
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damn, imagine having to get a signed document from teh president allowing you to FUCK (pun intended) someone? There'd be so goddam many sexually frustrated people out. omg it would be amazing, a world full of people like me.... /em daydreams

Author:	Shadowstalker [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:06 pm ]
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From what I understand the etymology of the word shit comes from the 19th century. When shipping manure on ships, the water from the sea caused the manure to ferment leaving a by-product of methane gas. so when crew members came down below to check on things with a latern, the ship blew up. So the term shit is actually an acronym for "Ship high in transit" to avoid future accidents.

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Author:	Matti [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:10 pm ]
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Not true... According to the alt.usage.english FAQ: [Fuck] is a very old word, recorded in English since the 15th century (few acronyms predate the 20th century), with cognates in other Germanic languages. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang (Random House, 1994, ISBN 0-394-54427-7) cites Middle Dutch fokken = "to thrust, copulate with"; Norwegian dialect fukka = "to copulate"; and Swedish dialect focka = "to strike, push, copulate" and fock = "penis". Although German ficken may enter the picture somehow, it is problematic in having e-grade, or umlaut, where all the others have o-grade or zero-grade of the vowel. AHD1, following Pokorny, derived "feud", "fey", "fickle", "foe", and "fuck" from an Indo-European root peig2 = "hostile"; but AHD2 and AHD3 have dropped this connection for "fuck" and give no pre-Germanic etymon for it. Eric Partridge, in the 7th edition of Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English (Macmillan, 1970), said that "fuck" "almost certainly" comes from the Indo-European root *peuk- = "to prick" (which is the source of the English words "compunction", "expunge", "impugn", "poignant", "point", "pounce", "pugilist", "punctuate", "puncture", "pungent", and "pygmy"). Robert Claiborne, in The Roots of English: A Reader's Handbook of Word Origin (Times, 1989) agrees that this is "probably" the etymon. Problems with such theories include a distribution that suggests a North-Sea Germanic areal form rather than an inherited one; the murkiness of the phonetic relations; and the fact that no alleged cognate outside Germanic has sexual connotations. In plain English, this means the term's origin is likely Germanic, even though no one can as yet point to the precise word it came down to us from out of all the possible candidates. Further, a few scholars hold differing pet theories outside of the Germanic origin one, theories which appear to have some holes in them. The earliest cite in The Oxford English Dictionary dates from 1503. John Ayto, in his Dictionary of Word Origins cites a proper name (probably a joke or parody name) of 'John le Fucker' from 1250, quite possibly proof the word we casually toss about today was being similarly tossed about 750 years ago.

Author:	Matti [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:14 pm ]
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More... Quote: The acronymic explanation of the origin of 'fuck' takes one of two paths: Fornication Under Consent of the King or For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Dealing with the first of these, though it's pleasing to think couples looking to procreate in those Dark Old Days had to first obtain the sovereign's persmission and then post a notice of what they were up to so all the neighbors could enjoy a good snicker, a moment's thought should set that one to rest. Were the king responsible for handing out such permissions, he wouldn't have time to do anything else (or even to keep up with that one task). Likewise, though there have been times when conquering forces have engaged in rape, it wasn't by royal fiat at the behest of a king looking to further dispirit the conquered. One last nail in the coffin of the 'fornication under consent of the king' origin comes from the word 'fornication' itself. Though many reasonably conclude fornication is the old-time word for having sex, the term specifically excludes the physical union of man and wife. One can fornicate premaritally or extramaritally, but not intramaritally. In light of this, any claim wedded couples trying to entice the stork down their chimney were granted fornication permits crashes against the rock of the wrong word being used.

Author:	Parade [ Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:32 pm ]
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and here i thought it started with the mafia... lol thats pretty cool

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