I was wondering how any Canadians on these boards are planning to vote in the upcoming election.

I have a feeling mostly Americans will be answering, and I'd love to here how you guys will be voting also.

America needs to vote Bush off. If he is voted in i swear i'm moving to canada

This isn't survivor... You don't just vote someone off the island. lol

What's so bad about Bush anyway?

((Wondering why everyone just says Bush is awful but never put up a reason behind their opinion...mmmmk whatever))

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He is no good because if it were up to Bush everyone would be converted to Christianity and we would make our laws directly from the Bible.

He is a menace to women (in that he doesn't support a woman's right to choose) and to civil rights (i.e; changing the constitution so that gay people can't get married!).

I don't like Mr. Bush, and I hope you guys get rid of him.

There we go. That's all I asked, was that people have an opinion and a reason behind their decision.

The problem with a lot of people in society (not saying any of the former posters are this way, just a lot of people in general), is that they have no opinion of their own.

One person says "Get rid of Bush" and everyone follows. That's the biggest problem we have as people. There are a few Leaders, but most are Followers. They have no opinions of their own, and simply go with what everyone else does.

Bush is not, by any means, an apparently Smart man, as he has numerous Grammar and Pronounciation problems. However, to simply say "I hate Bush, get rid of him" is a Follower-statement. I thank you for actually having a reason for not liking someone, and actually being able to say what that reason is, as opposed to "Uhhh.. well my friend doesn't like him so...." kinda thing.

Anyway. I'm not really getting into politics that much. I'm not going to senselessly argue politics when what I have to say isn't going to mean a damned thing to anyone and wouldn't change their minds either way.


What I will say though, is that Kerry doesn't seem to have any real opinions of his own either.

So the real question is: If you want to know who I'm voting for, take a stab. I've now officially "bashed" both candidates. They both seem to be idiots, to a degree. But what do you do--choose the lesser of two evils?

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hmmmm... i dont trust this new goofy ass mother fucking john carry, not saying i trust any democratic or republican but his huge chin just freaks me out. honestly enough we know bush is a dumb ass for letting the wars take place, other then that i really think he did a decent job. i seriously dont want some random fucktard taking his place though, because we know bush is 50% retarded but at least hes not 100% like john carry.

therefor, why the fuck would i vote anyways? fuck them both in the ass

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I think only in Canada will you open a ballot and find Communist Party listed in big bold letters.

I honestly dont care who gets elected...as long as it isnt Bush...
Ive lived in Texas long enough to know that people from Texas make very very very VERY bad choices for seats of power and authority.
The president should be more civilized and be able to handle the important things without always sounding like hes gonna end his speeches and announcements with "Welp, lets get 'er dun!"
I think we should all save ourselves the trouble and vote for Yarr (Hey, if i didnt say it, i know someone else would have.)

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Its true that i didn't give an explaination for saying why i don't want bush as our president. Princess gave a good idea of what was in my mind at the moment. We have a president who believes in the end of the world, hence not giving a shit about the enviroment AT ALL. Even worst is his stand on gay marrige something that shouldn't influence peoples's votes (but it does). I'm sorry but who the fuck am i to say who shouldn't get married or not, its not my concern and nor should it be our presidents concern. Saintity of marrige my ass J-lo's been married how many times? Britteny spears and her fucking 4 min marrige and divorce please spare me the bull shit. And as for laguna I am not by all means a damn follower... I just didn't feel i should explain my reasons, listening to the man speak makes our country look even more stupid. Only reason why i am voting john kerry is because he is the lessor of 2 evils, on top of that the man knows what war is like our little pussy president hid while vietnam was happening.
Ohh and next time laguna if you want me to go into details just say it nicely rather than calling me a follower.... I know the facts.. they speak for themselves

/sigh..... bush sucks and i dont trust cary @ all....... government=crap

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I might be mistaken, but I think Yarr is on this year's presidential ballot. Free FF for everyone!

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Ummm... do what again?

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In regards to the US presidential race:

i'll give u several reason Bush is doing a bad job:

1) He attacked Iraq because of oil. His family has a very rich oil company. It is well known he has close connection to the oil empire in the middle east. So when Iraq became a threat to those countries...a little help from our president may get him very good contracts from those countries. Ever wonder why the 2 Bushes we had for President, ATTACKED IRAQ

2) He is against gay marriages. Rather you or for or against gay marriage is beside the point. The US is suppose to seperate church from state. Bushes main reason is solely and he proclaims it himself, is cos of religion. When you use religion as a guide for leading a country...it becomes very dangerous. The bible can be and had been throught out history interpretated to use for very greedy and personal gains by powerful individuals.

3) Third Bush is from a very wealth family...therefore ties to many rich individuals. I don't have any specific examples but its not far fetch to think certain laws are made to be benefiting these individuals. America has long been protecting rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. For being a powerhouse nation...the gap between the rich and poor is ridiculous. CHANGES have to be made to protect the 90% of the country who are not millionaires and Bush will not be the one to be making these changes, because he, himself do not want to make himself poorer.

4) Bush has use the 9/11 incident to incite TERROR on other countries. Yes the 9/11 incident is tragic in every sense...I live 20 blocks alway from the World Trade Center. I saw them getting hit from my building. He has set laws to override the geneva convetion in regards to terriorist. I'm strictly against it, who is to say whom should be allow to toture and who is not. If u allow yourself to inhumanely toture other human beings you are nothing but a terrorist. That kind of tactic has a tendency to spread...evident in the iraq prisoner scandal. Now you will say but toturing a few terrorist will save many people. You don't know that will happen in the first place. Secondly POWs of the US and other country were toture under the same premise. Those country toture our troops to save the life of their troops. The geneva convention was set because of the in humane treatment of our troops...so we will dis-regart that once it is to our needs.

Well i think i went to on too long.....sorry ....thats what i think at least

Thats one of the reasons why i think bush needs to be thrown out office, his stance on gay marrige is religious. Church and State should never dictate our country. Its against our very laws and yet bush's reasons for standing against gay marrige as he even admits is religious. Using his religious convictions to lead a country is a bad idea and instead of going foward we would be going backward into the dark ages where governments and churchs fought eachother for power. Does anyone that bullshit ?

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I could talk about how bad I want to use my AF2, would that help?

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I'm voting for Bush. Both candidates are dipshits but Kerry scares the crap out of me because his views change based on whatever group he's talking to. At least with Bush I know what I'm getting.

To play devil's advocate here for Omegadata

1) Saddam should've been booted out the minute he started screwing with weapons inspectors. Thanks to that oh so wonderful Food-for-Oil program he managed to get enough sway to lock the UN down. However, we completely dropped the ball on taking him out. There is no reason for the high loss of American troops. I also don't buy the oil arguement. If this was the case we wouldn't have turned the country back over to the people and I sure as hell wouldn't be paying $2.00+ a gallon for gas.

2) Gay marriages shouldn't even be a topic and I'm irritated that this is even discussed by the president. Like abortion, this crap belongs in the supreme court and not taking up the time of the other 2 branches of the government.

3) Kerry doesn't look poor to me.

4) The patriot act creeps me out. However, if you think that crap like the prision scandle is new to the Bush administration I've got a bridge I want to sell you. Unfortunate things like that have always happened on both sides, it's just now the media is advanced enough to catch it.

Ok enough of this political crap, I now return you to your regularly scheduled farming and techo-talk.

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Im voting for Bob Dole, hes not a just a banana

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RIP Shiloh

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When it came to voting I just had princess tell me who to vote for since our views are identical. I'll never be into polotics. Not that I dont care about whos running the..... ok I really dont care.

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Your voting bush and yet you also claim that your annoyed by people making gay marrige an issue. I don't know if you have been paying attention but bush has a very strong standing against gay marrige he has made it an issue with his campain

I don't let a candidate's views on Abortion or Gay Marriages affect my voting. Neither are topics that the candidate can really do anything about (for all his talk nothing Bush suggests will make it through) so really it's all just a bunch of talk. I prefer to vote based on issues that they can actually do something about.

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to mythra

1: gay marriage may not be important to you, but it is important to many people. not too long ago our country does not allow marriage btw difference races. imagine yourself in that position, you prolly can relate more to that than gay marriage. how would u feel you can't marry someon you love. just cos its not important to you doesn't mean you should take it lightly.

2: i never say kerry is poor. i bet you he is not as rich as bush. but any case its irrelevant. i'm not saying kerry will change anything, but i'm 100% sure bush is not going to.

3: iraq is not that only country with weapons of mass destruction or had use biological weapon. why are we only attacking them. if you don't think oil is the main reason, you are very nieve. there are overwelming evidence on it if you care to go check it. half the world pays more money for gas than we do. if you feel paying under 1.50 for gas is cause enought to bomb other country, than its your opinion. but never think cheap gas comes cheaply, somebody is paying the price in exploitation for your cheap gas.

i apologize if i offended you if thats the case i dont' mean it...mythra

sorry to those who are annoy by this threat...i mean its the genral post and its about the election....you don't have to read it if u don't want dood....

i personally am glad to see some people with opionions on the upcoming election...why not talk about it

oh sorry to keep adding on....

the US had putted many many puppet government in many different country before. it doesn't always work...but this is another attempt. you think the US really spent billions to free the Iraqi people. They are looking for a return my friend. Just like how we "free" Panama so we can get control of the Panama Canal which btw the US makes billions from.

if the US is really that righteous...how come we never did anything in Tibet or Indonesai, or Camobdia when genocide was going on there.

The problem with Bush is, he said ???? the world im getting the best for my country. I dont mind that he went into Iraq, but he went into it (no offense) the way the stereotypical texan would. Lets ???? shit up and then sort out the rubble. And then after the war when iraq started to become crazy he would go off and talk about all the other concerns americans have, mainly Gay marriages. Now i dont watch cnn or the news so i haven't seen much about Kerry but from one interview he had i liked his views on the war on terrorism. Not go it alone and screw ourselves over, but get help from the world that already despises the western world.

I mean if we go with most the other world power atleast we wont be alone when shit goes bad.