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Author:  Arim [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:26 am ]
Post subject:  My attempt at a debateable thread
Do you believe man (as in humans) are originally good or evil?


Discuss and add things that support your answer.





I think man is originally evil.
what we consider to be good is all taught, what we consider is evil we learn on our own.

meh hopefully this can become a super cool thread like that church thread.
Author:  Sniffles [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:30 am ]
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Arim wrote:
Do you believe man (as in humans) are originally good or evil?


Discuss and add things that support your answer.





I think man is originally evil.
what we consider to be good is all taught, what we consider is evil we learn on our own.

meh hopefully this can become a super cool thread like that church thread.



I take very Hobbesian view of man. Essentially evil.
Author:  untouchable [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:35 am ]
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good, but then we ate that fruit >.>
Author:  Arim [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:43 am ]
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fruit?
Author:  Parade [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:49 am ]
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the apple... adam and steve
Author:  Sniffles [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:52 am ]
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ike wrote:
the apple... adam and steve



They never specified the type of fruit. I wonder why people pick apple as the generic fruit, as opposed to an orange?
Author:  Parade [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:56 am ]
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i watched a cartoon once when i was little and it was a fruit. thats all i know
Author:  Chamelius [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:14 am ]
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We are neight good, nor evil. If someone is too evil, someone will champion the cause and defeat them. Vice-versa.
Author:  Sunshine [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:51 am ]
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I think that for the most part, all people are good. Let's look at it this way: 1) Everyone makes mistakes, 2) People make poor choices. However, I think that there are exceptions to the rule. Some people have other problems than the average person such as instability, over-the-top stress, illness, etc. and either don't know how to handle it, or the condition severely affects their judgement. In the case of the Toronto gun violence, I don't think that any of these people are necessarily evil, I just think that they're misguided, easily influenced, not receiving the support they need, and I feel that their judgement is clouded by the ones they are around. I'm not saying that what has been done is excused by any means, because like anyone else, I'm disgusted by it. That point aside, we're human. The good comes with the bad and it's all about how a person handles it, or how someone intervenes.
Author:  Salvatore [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:08 am ]
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Man is Good at the core, but then woman corrupted us and make us do Evil things.
Author:  Yarr [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:23 am ]
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Humans are just animals. Good and Evil something man came up with.


In the animal world there is no such thing as good and evil.



Heres an interesting thought. If humans are so amazing and perfectly evolved after billions of years, why is it we evolved emotions? In an evolutionary point of view, emotions (Its emotions that make us see Good and Evil) actually hurt us more than it helps us.
Author:  Sunshine [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:38 am ]
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Emotions are what's unique about humans. We feel and identify emotions. Sure, animals may have a form of emotions, but as you said, our emotions are evolved. They are a large part of the essence of being human. Again, the good comes with the bad.

Life is beautiful and when we feel something bad, it usually means that we experienced something good before it. I'd rather be a crying pussy than a faggy goth kid.
Author:  Xiona [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:14 am ]
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i think the human species is good as individuals, but evil as a society for the most part. as soon as life wont be boring "perfect", temptations will always be there to lead us astray. life is only as good or as bad as you make it to be, when you compare it to someone elses life you then create a situation for greed and envy. i think once were all happy with what we have and do on a day to day basis, things arent going to get better.

i think emotions actually help more than hinder really. emotions cause you to think about things more, stimulating the brain. i think the reason they havent been phased out but made more elaborate over millions of years in humans because they actually make us use more and more brain power. (its 9am and im tired so bare with my explaination haha)
Author:  Whisp [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:41 am ]
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we're nowhere near perfectly evolved.
but i agree that good & evil are just subjective, and humans are inherently neither
Author:  Daedalan [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:48 pm ]
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I think humans are animalistic in nature, you don't get to the top of the food chain by helping the other animals along the way. That said, if you have to apply some sort of good/evil thing to being animalistic, then I would say it more closely fits into evil, since evil tends to defines itself by true selfishness, and animals usually don't go out of their way to help each other.

Our children are inherently selfish most of the time, its taught over time that selfishness is wrong and you have to consider other people as well.

Still think evil is too harsh a term to describe what we originally are, but its the closest term for this discussion.
Author:  Parade [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:15 pm ]
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now that i think about it, when i did confirmation (sp) this year, they tought us that man is oririnaly good, because god created us in his own image... now for those of you who dont know the story of satan, his name is lucifer... lucifer was the prince of hevan you might say, he was the second hand down from god... in the way beggining before god created man.

when god shared his plans with his fellow angle homies about god coming down to earth in the form as a human. (jesus), tehre all like "wow thats a cool idea yo" but lucifer was like "do you reelee expect me to worship a human?" (lucifer hated the human race, and all that)

so life went on, and lucifer began to hate god. then when god chose mary to bear the son, jesus, and since mary was born with out original sin, she would take the right hand of god, (basicaly take lucifers place as the queen of heaven)

so lufer gathered up some angle gangsters and rebeled... they fought against god and were sent to hell. (i dont think hell existed before then)

and from that point on lucifer hated women, and has dedicated his life to destroying ours... the only thing that my church could come up with is pornagraphy.... satan targets the women and pulls the men in and damns us all!

so i guess in a way, i belive men know right from wrong, they have comon sense. but we are tought evil.
Author:  Caduceus [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:30 pm ]
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In an evolutionary point of view, emotions (Its emotions that make us see Good and Evil) actually hurt us more than it helps us.


Emotions are resonsible for empathy. That'd allow us to identitfy with other's needs and make other's needs our own. Its actually helped us survive I always thought. Emotions tie in deeply with morality. If you can't empathize with someone then their needs are secondary.

Although humans are animals. Human beings are born malleable.
Author:  Arim [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:32 pm ]
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how is man tought evil?

according to the bible sure. but really we are taught not to be evil, we already have evil intentions but are thaught they are bad and shuned apon and oftenly punished so thus we as man try to be good, or rather what we are taught is good.

soorda know what im saying i can't exactly word it right
Author:  mudfly [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:51 pm ]
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Women are Evil and sense we all come from a woman, We are Evil.
Author:  Daedalan [ Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:54 pm ]
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mudfly wrote:
Women are Evil and sense we all come from a woman, We are Evil.


lol this just made me crack a little smile
Author:  Hobbes [ Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:01 am ]
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I voted good for the irony.
Author:  Sunshine [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:07 pm ]
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I was reading through my Canadian History (Post-Confederation) textbook and found this interesting quote which I decided to post. Keep in mind that this information is based on Canadian growing society in 1867.

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As material wealth and technological innovation became the order of the day, people began to advance the view that human beings were essentially good and that worldly progress was a desirable end of human endeavours.

This was in sharp contrast to the older Christian belief that humans were born in sin and that release from the pain of human existence came only in a heavenly afterlife. For those adopting the modern perspective, education and moral training were seen as the key to creating a reformed society.

Conrad and Finkel. History of the Canadian Peoples: 1867-Present.

Based on this, I think it is fair to say that views haven't really changed much over the past couple hundred years. I think that as our society progresses technologically, intellectually and as many people grow more materialistic (such as the 'tween' population), people's life focus is changing. However, I strongly believe that education is the key to creating and maintaining a "good" society. Of course I am biased to this because I look at it through the lens of an educator, but that's just my opinion.[/i]
Author:  Atmosphere [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:35 pm ]
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This thread is so cool I decided to stop lurking to reply. I chose good and heres why: CHildren are innocent and do not have an evil thought in their body. Any evils they have to learn. i.e. Greed, when we see something someone has and we want it (toys, food, and in a childs case mom). Thats the only example that I can think of a good enough reason for...

Now a days once you hit... Oh lets say 13, you are evil.
Author:  Feep [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:33 pm ]
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I beg to differ that children aren't evil. My mother has video proof of me beating the crap out of my three-years-younger little brother when I was like, 4.

That was just a sibling rivalry thing, though. I don't think humans are good or evil...morality isn't a simple line you can draw in the sand. Morality has far too many facets and intricicies to divide in two simple groups.
Author:  Sniffles [ Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:40 am ]
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Atmosphere wrote:
This thread is so cool I decided to stop lurking to reply. I chose good and heres why: CHildren are innocent and do not have an evil thought in their body. Any evils they have to learn. i.e. Greed, when we see something someone has and we want it (toys, food, and in a childs case mom). Thats the only example that I can think of a good enough reason for...

Now a days once you hit... Oh lets say 13, you are evil.



If all evil is learned, then where did the first evil person originate?
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