Kuma,

This is a computer game, not real life. And if you see someone in real life kill someone then you do the same, you are a moron.

There's no rule in TOS said you can't provoke a mob that went unclaim so it's not a rule for FFIX rather a moral issue. Everyone can have different morality so whether a person decide to provoke a unclaim mob or not it's up to that individual. CKD has been pretty strict on "do not provoke an unclaim mob until the pt who's fighting it wipe."

MPK stands for monster player killing. Normally that means you train other mobs on top of the pt who's currently fighting it and killed them. I can see you go extreme by saying hate control. However when a mob claimed by someone and I'd expect whoever has claim of the mob will have the hate under control fairly fast.

Last but not the least, do NOT use "jap" please. In English language that's a very bad word to use to insult a Japanese or the country as a whole. It's a very very bad word. Please use jp or jpn in your future replies. Thanks!

LOL. you tell them Peejo.

(wish i was high enough lvl to be able to have these problems, lol.)

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oh please sang was MPKing people about as much as any group MPKs anyone when they fight the behemoth king.

see the king? run

simple as that and the GM is right. CKD did nothing to violate the ToS. I wasnt there but Ill tell you this. I stand by my LS and what they did 100%. The call for help was accidental and the provoke was by reflex from what I was told

oh and Kuma, if we killed Fafnir and Behemoth every day this thread wouldnt be here. None of this would have happend. The problem is the "asian" players have a choke hold on the high level NMs.

I dont care what race he is. Its him I dont like not his race.

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oh sorry to use "jap", better use jpn, i just want to say when ppl is killing mob, it got lots hate, if someone steal it when it turn yellow, until you do more hate, then mob wont goes to you, so steal other HNM, even not like a normal mpk method, but its one of the way to mpk ppl, simple eg. is when you go lv up, you fight 1 mob and sleep 1 mob, if i go steal one of it (let say throw a stone to it and miss) and do nothing just standing, what will happen? so i am not mpk-ing your pt, right?

by the way, even in game has many ppl cheating, cheat ppl item or gil, i just want to say is someone not honor, but i wont. i honestly dont mind ppl is jpn or non-jpn, coz i also from HK, not a jpn, but i do enjoy pt or play with any kind of ppl, and online game not only just a game, your action will affect others, so plz be considerate.

in fact, i play for 2.5yr only has few chance to kill HNM, coz some HNM LS can 24hr has ppl and they have ppl mark down all HNM last death time, just like one of our LS ppl, he want a NM item (ex/rare), but pop time always keep by others LS, he used 3 overnight there to wait until he know the NM death time, then call helper go to rob NM, so...... no pain no gain :P

I never had a problem with Gana, he let me kill Fafnir with him along time ago whitch was nice (befor i joined CKD)

But i do agree with everything yarr and others are saying, you guys get the SAME HNMS every damn day... come on how is that still fun? Give us a chance to have some damn fun.

actually not everyday, coz you cant 100% get it everyday, too many LS camping, and HNM item always very very very...... rare drop, 1 LS many ppl want that item = need kill many many many........, for fun? 1st time kill is, later on is for item..... so pity

die kthx

Kuma i agree 100% with that.

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I like the screenshot from Landasia... it shows that it's not against the rule on doing this but it does also show that the chaos which cause onto others by doing this... it will be a vicious cycle over and over again... the next thing you will know is that other NA LS will start steal from you because as the top NA LS you set out the model which everyone lookup to...

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just like black belt item every mnk want, but rare drop, thats why they camp that 3 HNM everyday, and as a mnk said "Fxxk, camp so long no drop item, drop 1 but roll lose, #$%##$"

PS. i kill HNM for fun and the title (only killed 2 times HNM)

You guys fail to see that CKD isnt into stealing mobs.

Lets just say that after camping the behemoth well over 10 times and losing every time to the same Japanese/HK people (there are only like 2-3 HNM JPN/HK LS that hunt on NA time) gets very frustrating. I dont expect anyone to understand that. However, dont come here and tell me we have no respect when I watch these JPN/HK players botting to get the pull.

So what do we do? We tried just doing our own thing in the sky, but as you know those mobs drop items we cant get from the sky and its alot more work killing Gods rather then waiting for a behemoth to pop and having your friends just start the 'voke bot'.

Also, i dont think its impossible to kite the KB and not lose the claim.

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Yarr... I know it's frustrated because I have yet win a voke fest myself (I am pretty sure I will never get one but there is a bonus for my LS if you voke it off all the other. Yes I will never have that bonus)

the is always a chance that a mob will turn into yellow even if you have it fighting with you toe-to-toe (I have seen it even in other HNM as well), so far I have yet find out or hear any theory as to how that happen.

there are some hardcore players who will get the mob more than anyone else... I have heard of story where ppl will go all the way as to get a optical fiber just to make sure the ping is 1ms better than a copper line... but my point is I do have the same feeling about winning a voke but that's a pain even most of the JP/others have to bear as well...

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but we dont even have the option for getting a fiber line or anything like that.

CKD is fighting a losing battle unless Square-Enix does something to fix this for everyone.

My biggest problem is that even in NA prime time there are lots and lots of Japanes/HK players who stay up very late just to kill them mobs.

It doesnt matter, as soon as the new MMO games come out all the NA will leave and Square can go back to having it as a JPN/HK only game

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I think plainly someone saying if u like u should go to another server... Wtf why do we have to leave? we set up a good LS and like it at Ifrit server till we relize that we can't win this Dam Vokeing fests. and this isn't just CKD that can't win the Fests it every NA hnm LS.

i don't like how it's "Stealing" the HNM but i watched the KB pop and everthing happen and i saw that HNM go unclaimed 4-5 times for 5-10 secs at a time. like wtf. serously what would do and and think? and calling for help.... i remeber mean times i have tryed to disenage stuff and didn't mean to hit the Call for help option but i did and screwed my pt on xp.

and i'm sick of this JP orly crap. one of the main reasons i stoped my Sam is b/c of this JP only crap. now that i'ma Brd they begg for me. and when i hear about that Macro that one Jp had in his provoke i would have left the pt. those are the Fat headed JP ppl that ruin the Game for ppl.

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I was talking about the game not RL and also I am also Ex- Navy seal for real life its no fun when you do those jobs,

Your right about the "jap" part is bad word to use, My wife is Japanese anyway so I dont use that word cuzz she would kill me if I did that, so like I said any race that plays this game is the same thing greeds and power.

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The voking of KB was pure accident, I have apologized to those that I know in Gana's LS for my part played in it. But really, its just a situation that makes this game not fun for NAs. If I could switch servers, I'd do it in a heart beat.

At our end of the spectrum,

1. yes, the monster steal is ethically wrong.
2. always losing to the same ls in claim based on ping is equally wrong.
3. i will always hear how jp people claim it is unfair to them that if so and so happen but i never hear jp people complain how so and so is unfair for the other people playing.

To monster steal is wrong and will lead to mpk. To monster hog and provoke bot is equally wrong and will *eventually* lead to mpk. So for na players, what's the point in the first self imposed rule when there is no compromise at other end.

In no way do i say any of this is right. But at the current way the players play the game, there will eventually be a generation of ffxi gamers that won't follow the jp ffxi rules and strictly follow the ffxi TOS rules.

Maybe gana and kuma are too young to realize this but this is a relative simple socialogy pattern that is caused by unfairness.

Talisin, not only all NA HNM LS lose, should say only few "old" HNM LS can win coz they even know every pop point in the map......, however i know a ppl solo pulled behe and solo killed it, all HNM LS ppl there only can watch.... and normally HNM LS 24hr has ppl, and their play time is very long.... seems they no need to sleep , want win them? pay more time, use more ppl camp, thats the way

PS. very very sorry that i use "jap" coz i not know it can means something bad

Here is one of the things that's different in Gana's HNM LS... his LS has ppl from all over the world unlike the all JP and all NA LS he can have ppl online 24/7 to this extend if you really want to have a true HNM LS, Gana really has one...

also Gana's LS got more claim lately due to other reason as well I guess there is some luck for his LS

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He has anyone in there who wants items, thats not a ls. An ls is a group of friends who work hard together and stay together. Not people who just use each other to better them selves in a game.

but thats just my opinion

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well I dont steal the mob too but its fun to i see who wins the pull.

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I agree with your opinion too but lately I think a lot of people has lose track of this... "remember those who lot the items and never came back"

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I lost all respect for JP linkshells and East Asian linkshells when I saw Behemoth chi blasted and walking towards the man before he had even spawned. (He showed up claimed and walking). It is impossible to beat a concious JPN on a provoke contest. The only way you can win is if the idiot falls asleep, or is a total rube.

Spare me the "fair" aspect. Fair would be a man or linkshell who was man enough to say he will share the spawns, alternating days, weeks, months with you. Greed is when you rely on your abilities and advantages to gain your goals. I have seen nothing but greed, I have seen absolutely no fair. Spare me your morality.

want to know another reason i dont like him?

He invited Skye and Ilma to kill Fafnir even said they could lot. they both won but imo they shoudlnt have gone in the first place since they are in CKD. I put my foot down and said no more helping other HNM LS. Of course Gana forgot to mention that hey if you come once and help out and win something you have to join his LS or go a whole bunch of times.

so really i see him getting people to come help him, gets them loot then forces them to stay or tries make them feel bad.

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