First of all, i agree that stealing isn't nice to do, but there's really no right or wrong on this. Kuma, you said it is a rule, well, it's only a rule that JP ppl made up to make sure everyone can get his piece of beef and be happy, since jp linkshells are competing under equal conditions, i.e. connection, etc. I've played for some time now, and I've seen many times JP accused ppl for 横取 or mpk when it was not. Imo most of JP have no respects to NA players, and they always think things should done by them in their ways no matter what. I've seen these, and had JP done them to me, so I now really don't give a shit on if stealing is right. I'll grab the NM i want if it's unclaimed, i don't even consider this as a stealing, it's more like u lost something, and i find it, i'll give back if u can prove to me it's yours, show me a mark or a name or something.

I'm in CKD, and we don't steal. We repespect JP ls even though they don't do as much in return. I voked serket once from survive/rayback's ls, and i warped back and gave it back right away, it was an accident I've been stolen for more than 10 times on every kind of NM, with some, JP even tried to mpk to steal, and JP didn't return 1 back, of course, the word "sorry" hasn't been heard.

So what kind of rule is this? NA players didn't steal my NM, JP did, and now you are telling me to follow the "JP no steal rule"? Sure I'll follow if you can get those JP to say sorry to me, and if u need, i have a list of JP blacklisted thieves. I'll be waiting for their appologies (am i spelling this wrong?).

I think its funny that anyone would think CKD is a bad LS over one event.

CKD has sat on the sidelines for so many HNM fights and never done this before. One mistake and everyone is so quick to point fingers. Like Icy said, its only because those "other" players really dont respect us. Its like people were only looking for a reason to not like us.

I dont even know why gana came down here and posted. This is our forum. Im not stupid, I know this site has been linked to other Forums where gana is posting. I am the Site Administrator I can tell when people link to mine. I can tell buy the constant 10+ anon guests reading this thread only. I can see all the Japanese and HK IP addresses.

So hello to our guests and think what you will.

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not to mention none of the SS in this thread are from when CKD was at KB. So the Forgeiners who have a limited understanding of english are prolly getting the wrong impression.

but whatever.

This whole mess is all about attitude. JP/HK/whoever doesn't like to lose. So any chance they can find someone to blame, they jump in.

You know what? My opinion toward HK players are pretty neutral before today since I am a Chinese. However, I don't like your whining attitude. I don't like how you point your finger at CKD, at Yarr. CKD will follow TOS rule and do whatever Yarr tells us to do. If you don't like the way things will go, {That's too fucking bad}!

lol peejo, i thought kailyn to post the first

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You guys need better taunting smilies.

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lol how did i know you were gonna say somthing

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Here's two that I remember the urls for offhand (the rest are on my work machine).

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Yarr.u dont know my ls pld dont add opionin on it.my ls have fix ppl and all are my friends.skye is my old ls before and he ask me he want to kill hnm.not me call him to kill.after he got the most strong sword then he say yarr dont let him join my ls event.before i dont know who is yarr and CKD.i want to damn him because he get items then reave.cheat our ls ppl.after that i have to blacklist him.another things i have to say sorry here.really.u guys vote hnm havent wrong.Next time i will remind my friend to follow behemoth and will not turn to yellow word anymore.last things i want to say sorry here because i call u guys to go to toher server.its my fault. i hope this event can be end.thx

Gana look it was stupid. we have never done something like this before and honestly it was an accident. We've never ever done anything like that before that is the truth.

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Gana if you're having trouble sleeping over this issue, they've found a solution to make you feel better.

I'm Sick of the JP/HK treat us and for one i was always about honor and i think that we would treat them well but now that i look at it now, not one JP has done anything for me or anyone know. i don;t want to sound like i'm generalizeing (eek spelling) anything but serously now i'm at the point where i can't give a dam about what ppl think. We ha ppl from other ppl bashing this LS all the F#@$ing time and makeing up crap about my brother and for one thing all this Dam drama is retarded. i honestly feel like i'm in Grade 8 all over again were everyone thinks they are cool and can do what they want. Gana wants us to go to another server or have the Table scraps of what they have is just Rude in my eyes. And OMFG!!! Gana u had just killed Fafnir before u came to the BK pop. serously STFU!

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*Frowns and looks around.... takes his mentos out of his pocket and eats one*

*Gets an idea! Gets a gas mask and releases knock-out gask into the thread*

*Gives a thumbs up*

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many member want the 2-3 sword from fafnir.but its very rare drop.now only skye got.do you know our feeling? we also tired to kill it but i cant give up until we get the sword

You mean JP's on other servers are not the same as this server? O.o or maybe I'm missing the point.

So we are suspose to let u get every HNM b/c u need 2 more swords?
we have had lots of ppl that have gotten loot on Dymais Raids and just never come back or HNM drops as well we know the Felling. and heck we want all our ppl to have the Drops as well so i'm suspose to be like "hey he needs the swords for others we should just let them have it" umm or not.

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Example.my friend have made a fix pt every day camp lord of onzozo.they camped over 3 months.many ppl want it.what they can do?if u want only can do is voke win them and have a lot of time.they everyday take at least 8 hours to camp it and camp 1 month to drop 1.so HNM need to take many time and luck if u want kill it. we also pull lost many time when there have jpn hnm ls. then we just can wait have chance to kill it.until now we did it

Wow damn guys, never thought this thread would make this big of a controversy. Didnt mean for it to end up like this.

Theres a big difference between normal pulling and watching stuff spawn purple heh.

yes but notice how your friend actually HAS A CHANCE. We dont have a damn chance cause 2 reasons

1. You bot
2. You provoke the Mob even befor we see it

You have no idea what its like to be NA and see every HNM pop purple day after day. Yes u may have fair compitition between JPN LS vs JPN LS and thats how it should be, but its not that way for us.

lol gana

watch as I cry because you lost out on a sword from Fafnir who you kill almost every single day. I have no pitty for you what so ever. I dont feel bad even a little.

If you want to black list someone, black list me. Skye would have come back. I said not to.

What do I care if you black list me or any of ckd? I remember a few of CKD were camping behemoth one day and the king spawned. Sure enough you didnt have enough people and when Fabian or someone else asked if you wanted to team up you said, "Ok but you not lot"

wtf, seriously. Just get lost, ckd really dosnt need your help. All we need is a level playing field and we could do much more than you.

Gana I could care less about you and your "ls". I could care less about you. CKD is a self sufficient ls who can do just fine for ourselves. As I said earlier I have no respect for you and alot of people in your so-called ls. I save my respect for other people (as i listed before above) who dont come into the dojo forums to cry like a little baby over an accident.

Gana you will never understand the pain of being an NA player so dont come here and tell us how bad you have it because someone got an Item from a monster you farm every day. One day your botters are all going to get ban if your not carfull.

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oh and for the record.

That screen shots came from here

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/showth ... adid=46532

It was actually from another server where a japanese LS stole the king behemoth on purpose and called for help to spite the NAs.

CKD did not voke to steal the mob (we didnt have enough people to kill it) and the call for help was an accident. This screen shot on the other hand shows that japanese players on other servers are doing this to spite the NA players. So really is this what CKD gets to look forward too? Even if we do get a pull we can just assume its going to get stolen?

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I wasn't there at the time all the mess occurred, but I'm pretty sure it was an accident. If it wasn't, then I would think someone would have grabbed it at such a point shown in that screenshot (the 20% HP thing).

Not to say I wouldn't be pissed if it happened to me either, but I think that if it was done intentionally then it would have kept happening.



As far as I can remember, CKD really has done nothing bad before. In fact, we usually leave the area once a HNM pops claimed by another LS, so we don't lag them up or get in their way. We might have someone stay to get the time of death, but that's it. I just know it isn't fun to hae 50+ people watching you fight a HNM. It lags the crap out of you. The best example I have is when we fought Fafnir and had 40-50 people watching us, waiting for us to screw up so they could take it. For one, I don't like the fact that people wait for others to die so they can get an easy kill, but the main reason it annoyed me was that I could barely move due to the increased lag. This is why I usually leave the area once I see other people are fighting the HNM.

There's been quite a few times that CKD has shown respect and willingness to help other linkshells and players, even if they were after the same thing as us. A few examples:

-- We once witnessed 5 JP/HK players trying to kill the Overlord in Monastic Cavern (the "King" Orc beastman). We didn't interfere, and instead just watched them. They weren't doing so well, and they ended up wiping. At this point we had more than enough people there to kill the thing. It was still at full HP, so we took it, while raising the people whom just wiped. Now, we were doing fine and could have just killed it ourselves, but we felt bad doing this seeing as how the JP/HK pt was there first and was trying to kill it with no success. So we ended up inviting those people, even though we didn't need their help. We killed it, and got the Juggernaut axe and a few other things, which we could have argued was "ours", but instead we lost the lot on every item to them. I don't think anyone cried about it, since we felt we were building a good reputation with other players.

-- We've raised people who were going after the same NMs as us, before we even got to these NMs. An example being in sky about a week ago when I stumbled upon a bunch of bodies while trying to pop the Steam Cleaner NM in Ve'Lugannon Palace. They had wiped to the Steam Cleaner, which we didn't know yet (though it was obvious they were trying to pop it), but cleared the room and raised them anyway. The "suck" thing to do would have been to leave them there because it would have meant less competition for the NMs in sky, but we didn't do that.

-- Another small thing... we've also left the Ullikummi camp everytime we see someone else there, even if it's just an exp PT (since an exp PT can kill it if they so choose to). I've heard horror stories of 30+ people standing around waiting for Ullikummi to pop... that doesn't seem like fun to me.



Anyway, about the black belt: Yes, I'd like to have it, but I wouldn't feel I'd have earned it if I was given or bought one of the items needed for it. Items also don't concern me much, mostly due to the fact that when you quit, they're gone. All the items I have I've worked hard for, save maybe for the Genbu helm which I won on my very first god fight (which drops a hell of a lot anyway). Everything else I've gotten (Suzaku's Sune-ate, Byakko's Haidate) has come from a lot of time and work put into the linkshell, and from my linkshell mates being kind enough to not cast lots against my crappy lots :P Besides, in the end, skill makes the player and not items. Someone could have the best gear in the game and still be a crappy player, as I've seen over and over again in every MMORPG.

last time we kill king behemoth have enough ppl.i think u ls want to try to kill and have fun so i say those sentence.we pull win and we have enough people why still add your ls and let you roll?if i agree my member also dont agree.also i agree with u kayne . some jpn want to buy the black belt item but i never sell to them.

Yarr can attest, it takes a lot to really piss me off. This episode has effectively done that. I'm not about to condemn the entire eastern culture for the immaturity of the few that happen to play this game but this whole stupid melodrama has very much disappointed me in those that do. I wasn't there so I don't know exactly the events that transpired but I do know what was said afterwards and that is what has made me angry.

1) First of all King Behemoth was not stolen. You can argue all you want about why it was but the bottom line is this: You can't steal a claimed mob. Your tactics caused the mob to be unclaimed thus CKD CLAIMED it. Do I think it was right? Ethically, no I don't think we should have claimed it since you won the first claim, but that is not the issue. Blame your tactics not us.

2) You speak of respect yet you show none what-so-ever. If it is true that you kill practically every HNM in the game almost everyday that shows an utter lack of respect, not only to CKD but to every single HNM LS on the server. You argue that you wanted the Fafnir sword, I have an idea, camp Fafnir till you get it and give someone else a shot at the other HNMs.

3) Gana, I don't know you, I don't know if you bot. I don't know if you NA, HK, or JP. I don't know if you work hard with your LS. I don't know if your LS is all close, personal friends. I don't care. All I need to know you said with this comment:



That comment really struck a nerve with me. You suggest that we ditch everyone and everything we have on this server to start anew on another. That is the greediest, most aggrogant, most selfish thing I have ever heard. I guess we should all just leave our friends and start over at level 1 on another server... I have a better idea... When it is time to sleep in JP, HK or where ever you are from, GO TO SLEEP!