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Edit: True, there is other things we can use the funding for like feeding the hungry or some other humanitarian act. But humans are inquisitive and will continue their search for knowledge. I know when I read this article I found it interesting although it could be meaningless to others. Knowledge comes from wanting to learn about new things and coming to understand it and apply it to others who might want to know about it also even if it is trivial. Besides drinking, women, drugs, why else would we go to college for?

greetings from outside the realm of ffxi...

Discovery in my opinion defines humanity at its best, we are never satisfied with just believing in something, we need to question and understand it at its core, sometimes to the detriment of ourselves or the thing we are studing.

Discovering a new bird, or a headless sphinx in and of themselves are not amazingly precious concepts. Regardless they are important because it fulfills one more step on that long stairway to understanding our world.

This new bird could potentially carry a strong version of bird flu, which will cause deaths, or it could also have a strong anti-viral quality that lets it survive in that region, regardless we know nothing about something until we examine it. I guess that would be the best point to make... if we don't discover these potentially useless discoveries now, we will miss the potentially mind blowing discoveries they hide.

All knowledge is power, wikipedia will own everything one day...

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What's about a long term study. How many people will even remember that in 1 week? 1 month? People are going to be like "omg wow" for 2 days because of the way media present it, but it won't have any repercussion on the long term.

Like I said, if it had any impact on the scientifical community, I would understand people excitement, but it doesn't really.






If mankind is annhilated, Earth is pretty much screwed ;p Chance another human race appears before the sun blow up is too low.

If you were talking about Alien race, that's just wishful thinking. I believe in alien life, but I don't believe you can break physic law either. Considering our understanding of the universe structure is relatively good, it's pratically impossible to travel to another world, and same goes for alien.



What's the color of the pencil I'm holding?
How many atomics particle is there in a sandwich?
How many time water circle around your toilet when you flush it?

Gathering data is good when there is a result to extract from it, when there is a general tendancy to figure. When it's simply obtained just for the sake of it doesn't mean much.

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That's not what I said. It depends what information you can extract from those ruins. If there is anything new, than great, it was a good thing for science. Otherwise, it's just a few archeologist trying to get some money and media's attention to eventually attract tourists.



It's fun to see people play with word when posting scientifical article. When you read that, it does give the feeling it is important. But think about it a second. Is it really important to understand the layout of the ruins? While the discovery is important to answer the previous question, the objective might not be important at all. Maybe it is, but there is not enough info in that article to deduce anything.

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I don't think anyone in this topic still play FFXI ;p


That's not what I was saying if it was directed at me. I'm for science advancement. Actually, it's what I like the most and the only thing I believe in. It's just that I find annoying when people get all excited over a meaningless discovery and pretend it's for sciences.

While it does a little for it, the only reasons people are so excited is because it makes them dream about something, not because science is really better. People who found that place might be trying to milk money from their discovery more than help sciences and media are making big title (ie: Lost World discovered") to grab people attention. They are just travestying sciences.

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My rebuttals are all going to be 3 posts from now on so that I can rival Kaylia's post count

It's trap. People never read big post, so I make 3 little posts in a row and trick people into reading them all.


That, and my old p2 333 crash every 10minutes ;p I'm scared to have to retype everything

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remind me to count that next time I go to the bathroom

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lol tres intelligent

good! in my opinion, if any group of people deserves money it's scientists. more than lawyers more than priests more than advertisers, more than hollywood...

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I have never agreed more with anything ever posted on this forum lol.

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As long it's used to progress yes. Money usually have the opposite effect tho.


And be careful before saying scientist deserve money. You would be surprised how much lie and exageration there can be when it come to money in sciences. Pharmaceutical industry is one of the best exemple.

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kaylia are you just going to argue anything you can about anything we say?

Lets talk about how much Quebec sucks.

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Quebec doesn't suck... they all speak french there... nevermind it does.

I sure will.

I dunno if it suck or not, but it's an uninteresting subject.

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I think it's important to respect other people's opinions on various subjects. I understand that some people may find many topics "uninteresting" or "insignificant", but I don't think it's fair to always shoot things down...even if it's for the "creating drama" effect! Yarr can only do that and has the right to do so!

I'm not disrespecting anyone opinion or trying to start drama, I'm just arguing for the sake of it. >_> Isn't like the whole reason we have online discussion board?

Having an opinion is fine, but it still need to be backed up by a certain logic. I'm not saying anyone here said anything that goes against it, but I don't understand how people can say it's useful for science without knowing one use it will have. People getting excited over the event has nothing to do with the so called science advancement.

I don't mind people being impressed by those discoveries, but beside being hot for a couple of days, there really isn't much to it. In any case, can we really talk about respecting other people's opinion when someone would rather find a new bird species than save other people from starving to death in order to prevent surpopulation (that could be countered using many less radical techniques)? >_>

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personally i find it extremely interesting and i think it would be a great thing for us to look into. for all we know we could explore these new animals/plants and end up finding something that may help us medically or scientifically. for example we could find a cure for aids or some other disease that was previously untreatable just through the plants and animal life there. what excites me the most isn't "yay we found another animal to add to the bird species" it's "what is so different about *insert plant or animal* that can help us to further mankind in some way." hell we could find some other form of energy on this small place. the possibilities are endless really. yea sure some are more farfetched than others, but hey anything can happen.

btw i never pay attention to grammar when posting on a forum so i apoligize now

New proteins used in medicine are being made in lab for years. It's very unlikely (if not nul) that we discover new product in natural form. That, and the fact those animal are slight variation of other known species. I agree it would be interesting if it was a new family of animal, living in totally different conditions, but it's not the case. Discovering new species like sulfur life form (the one really deep in the ocean) was an interesting discovery. It allowed us to rethink our idea about life in general and how it can evolve.

And yes, finding a new type of energy is farfetched Bilo You should know it's not possible, at least, not on that level. Leave that to science fiction movie ;p



Physically and statistically, no, not everything can happen ;p

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Maybe this isn't quiiiite the same thing, but isnt that what blue sky research is all about? Working to increase our knowledge of things without any idea what it will lead to. Best example of that in recent times would be lasers. The people who developed them just did it because the scientific principles are interesting, but that lead to have 1000s of uses in today's world. Same could probably be argued about people who spend their lives studying particles 1/1000000000th the size of an electron, what the hell is the point? Then someone comes up with quantam computing.


Also making chemicals/proteins/whatever in the lab is all well and good, scientists can synthesize over 10 billion chemicals or whatever, but 99.99% of them are useless (unless of course they go the way of the laser and we find a use for them in the future) But any new species of plant/animal will have different combinations of chemicals in them which - unlike things made in labs- have stood the ultimate test of evolution. They exist for a purpose in maintaining a life and thereore are more potentially useful than the results of organic synthesis and other such wonderful wacky things.

A square mile of unexplored rainforest is more likely to contain some kind of drug/medicinal compound than anything manmade, because humans don't understand exactly how different chemicals affect the way bodies work, but nature doesn't need to understand this, evolution makes sure that only useful chemicals are made.

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In the farthest reaches of space anything can happen ;p considering our views on physics and what not are constantly challenged and changed with new discoveries found on a monthly basis.

Sure its not huge news (ok it is literally lol) but the ramifications of this are pretty substantial. I mean forever it was almost ruled out that Hyper massive stars could even form planets since they have massive solar winds and other big problems. Yet scientist found rings around 2 of the stars (only like 8 er something in the Milky Way).

I mean this could totally change the way we look at planet formation. Not to mention only a few months ago the detection of planets around a binary star system (two star solar system).

The most important questions in science are "why?" and "how?" We need to know ‘How’ our solar system evolved and ‘Why’ we ended up with such a perfect planet. So we need to look at the big picture. We need to see how other solar systems form and evolve.

The same goes for this article.

This article brings to light a subject that is very important to us as a human race (we are animals after all).

How?

Survival and evolution. These scientist are finding animals that were thought to not exist or thought to be so rare no one person would ever see them. Animals that are endangered and dying off are thriving in an area we never thought to look (or couldn’t look). While we thought they were dead, they actually survived. On the surface it doesn’t look important, but science needs to see these things for reasons like "Why did mammals survive when dinosaurs didn’t? How did they survive? How did they adapt? Why did we evolve emotions?" and questions like that. I’m not a scientist so I have no idea what else to say, but I’m sure there are lots of benefits.

If you can’t see how this applies to the human race then it’s your loss. This is fairly big news.

We also get to see just how differently animals have evolved here. This gives excellent fuel for the evolution vs. divine intervention debate. I mean what question is more important to us than "where did we come from?"

We have the most rare tree kangaroos here in record numbers. Why here? Why are they dying out in other areas? The answer can be fairly easy, but like all things, there is always more than what you see on the surface. This applies to all animals; this answer can help us out as the human race. How can we learn to adapt or how are we going to adapt through evolution.


Maybe I’m just spouting gibberish off because I’ve got 20 minutes of work left.

Oh and for all we know, the droppings from some new tree frog just might end up curing Cancer or AIDS or something farfetched like that lol. Still, there are lots of opportunities here in a “new world”. Its like discovering a little mini planet within your own planet.

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Oh and dont forget we could always find new antibodics through new animals.

Research is done in a lab. Figuring out what to do the research on isnt.

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