To some this might be enough proof, yet to some it might
just be rubbish. Here's a 60 minute movie showing and
explaining facts of how mankind evolution is nothing but a tale.

I know its a long movie, but its worth to watch. I saw this
and even though it speaks of a God as creator, its not a
"push down your throat" video. Its a very logical and easy to
listen movie. If you have not watched the movie, please dont
reply with useless crap that wont be interesting. I want to see
your opinion and reactions after you have watched it.

Dowloads: Right click and save target as...

56k version (160 x 120, 20 megs - super crappy version)

Broadband version (133 megs - decent watchable version)

Dvd Quality (476 megs - should be great quality)

You can stream this video as well [ - Here - ], you will also see all the information about the video there.

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As much as I really would love to see what has been long overdue, I keep getting the usual "Windows Media Player cannot play the file because a network error occurred. The server might not be available. Verify that you are connected to the network and that your proxy settings are correct."

Right click on the abuve links, and select "Save Target As..."

Choose a place to save the video to, and after the download
is complete, try watching it.

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OMFG WOOT DL DVD version... olny 43 Hrs 12min 7sec... WOOT Came on computer i know you can hit 5kb/sec damn 4.2

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An excellent refutation of the flawed macroevolution theory. I believe it's only a matter of time until the textbooks portray the evidence of modern science.

I didnt finish the video because I have to go to bed, anyway.

Not everything can be explained yet, but it doesnt mean the Creator is the "answer". You can't use creator "answer" until you prove there is no other solution to the problem, and its not what they are doing. Just take the part when they mention the Moon at one point or planet's ring, astrophysics is giving us much better explantion.

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The Intelligent Design theory is the only theory which can withstand skepticism. Origin of Life is the #1 thing going for theists. As the documentary stated, this is not an argument out of ignorance...they actually give evidence SUPPORTING Creation, not just evidence refuting evolution.

Post hoc egro propter hoc is not a convincing argument.

AAAHhhhhhJESUS

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wow... holy shit haha, that's pretty cool

Seriously I stopped watching this video about half way through, I couldnt take it anymore.

The sole attempt from what I watched was to prove creation theory by using scientific facts that worked in their favor.

I mean seriously, when they started talking about how 'since the planets were created similarly, they should have the same rotation/moon orbit/yadda yadda' that was insanely narrow minded.

meh sorry for the rant.

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That's what I hate about vulgarization. If I hadnt studied physics at shool, if I hadnt read a lot about that, their arguement would probably sound convincing to me. They make it sound so simple and logic that anyone could accept it.

What they are doing in that movie is put a few observations together and propose a theory. Of course, their theory explain "everything", but its still not science because it doesnt allow you to predict anything.

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I think if they went into too much depth in science about it, people who
arent science majors would just feel lost.

If you can prove anything their said to be incorrect, i'll believe otherwise.
As far as now, the movie showed me things i hadnt seen before.

I'm not saying for you to give a detailed explanation of anything,
just simply prove anything they said to be incorrect. I'll gladly
look at both sides of the story.

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About as narrow-minded as the exclusion of all other theories to allow the one which states that life could have arisen in a universe infinitely hostile to life. I'd rather go with the one that actually works [/quote]

Yes, people would be lost because it's a lot more complicate than a simple innacurate vulgarization. When you want to establish a new theory, you must base it of real facts and use what we already know. It's not what they are doing in the movie. They did use a few real facts, however, they ignore many that doesnt support such theory. Not to mention they are lying on a few things

Let me watch it again tonight, I will make a list of thing that are inacurate and shouldnt have been used. But on the top of my head, the way solar system was created, and evolution on a cellular level are both thing that annoyed me the most.

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Just tell me your facts, and myself and my employees will research it,
if its true, then i will have to rethink about certain things. If not,
my word stands.

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Did you ever studied physics, astrophysics or chemistry?
What you are asking me to do is something that would take hour of searching in science book to prove a point on a forum. Something I dont really feel like doing.
Before accepting the easy "Creator" solution, you should at least study science to see how thing work.



8*0 = 9*0
Divide both side by 0
8 = 9

What's wrong with that?

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Its okay if you dont want to do it, i'm not demanding it, nor i feel
like this subject should be provoking any hostility.
Now if you want to say the movie is wrong and its a lie, at least
prove yourself of it. If you dont want to "research" the subject,
why the hell would i want to go study it?

Again, i have been looking around, and so far i have found that
everything they said is true. Nothing i have found so far, contradicts
what its said in the movie.

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Has anyone ever wondered if the answer wasn't something honestly we couldn't/ weren;'t supposed to understand

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If the big bang theory was true, then where the hell did the floating ball of matter come from? Another ball of matter? where did that came from. If you think deep enough, what is the universe? what is everything? there has to be a creator.

There are several things in this movie that I want to say something about, but for now, I'll just start with the first one that came up.

Incidentally, my father is a devout Christian, and has a book that addresses the same things that this movie did. So I had formed my opinion of the Second Law of Thermodynamics argument, and therefore the Entropy argument, long before I watched this movie.

Using the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and Entropy, as proof of a creator cannot work. Read on for my explanation, and I welcome INTELLIGENT responses to this.

The movie uses Entropy as an argument for the intelligent creation of the Universe. For Entropy to exist, the Universe must function as a CLOSED system. This is a VERY important distinction. Keep this in mind.

They refer to the Universe as a CLOSED system, and as such, no force may act upon the Universe from outside, or it is no longer a CLOSED system. This includes God. Therefore, if God created the universe and set things into motion as the movie says, God must be a part of the Universe for it to remain a CLOSED system.

Remember that God, in the Christian view, and as the movie states, is transcendant, has existed before time began, and will exist after time ends (and the movie says time will end, that the Bible refers to a FINITE universe). So God is Eternal, and therefore will not, and cannot, die or cease to be.

Now comes the crux of my argument. If the Universe is a CLOSED system, it moves towards Entropy. If this is the case, and God is part of the Universe... God is also moving towards Entropy, and will eventually cease to be. Obviously, this cannot stand in the normal Christian view of things.

So, lets say a religious type would like to say, then, that God obviously isn't part of the Universe, He is outside of it, transcendant from it, and therefore created and set the Universe into motion from outside. This changes the Universe from a CLOSED system to an OPEN one, because a force is acting upon the Universe from outside of it.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics only functions in CLOSED systems. So, if God isn't part of the Universe, the Universe is an OPEN system, and therefore, the Second Law of Thermodynamics no longer applies.

Oh, yes. One last thing. If you try to say that God is above these rules, because he is the Creator and should not be subject to rules of Science, and can act on the Universe without violating the Second Law of Thermodynamics, you cannot use that law as an argument. To SCIENTIFICALLY prove something using a Law of Science, you MUST obey that Law. As a very minor example: To say that 2 + 2 = 4, you MUST agree that 2 = 2, and that 2 cannot be anything other than 2 just because you find it convenient.

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Takes the part where they says all planet come from the same cloud, meaning they should all be alike and spin in the same direction. Well, I'm sorry but its totally wrong. Our sun is a 2nd generation star.
What they are describing is a first generation star, the one you could find at the beginning with a pretty "short" life span before they explode in another cloud that will eventually for 2nd generation star. (most of the heavier element on the chart were created in 1st generation star)

They also say there was not enough gaz in the cloud to form something like Jupiter if I understood correctly. Again, it's a lie. Jupiter was formed in a similar way to the sun, actually, if it was a lot bigger, the planet would have collapsed and created another star. If there was enough gaz to form sun, there should have been enough to form Jupiter


I know there was a bunch more erronate fact in this movie. They are not easy to find unless you know the subject pretty well. Believe it if you want, I'm telling you they are just using science to force their belief into people.




Long time ago, men created God to explain the rain, the thunder and the sun. God was the explanation until science found the answer. Let's not do the same mistake and answer our question with "God".

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You know what? Fuck science. All these scientists are just wasting there life away trying to prove that there is no god. WHO THE FUCK cares, die and see what happens.

Sniffles were you implying that I excluded all other theories? Please don't make assumptions on meh.

The issue I had, put a little more simply, is they were using scientific facts to disprove scientific facts in generally the same area. How are you going to let them use the facts simply convenient to them? We see polititians do that and don't like it, but when it's in god's defense it's ok?

Lastly, and I think Kaylia eluded to this, they simply said science can't explain 'this' or 'that' when in reality it's in high school text books.

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I understand what you mean Aalan, i think 2 should always = to 2, but
its not the point here. 3 + 1 is also 4, and so is 4 +0 = 4. Fro mwhat i
know is that we arent trying to figure out if 4 is really the answer, but
we are trying to figure out how we got 4 to start with. Yes, your theory
makes sense. Yet i dont think they used Entropy as a supporting reason
to Creation. If i remember correctly, they refered to it pointing out a
flaw in it.

Also, The bible does mention the end of time, but you misinterpreted it.
End of time is referred to the end of humanity, after the anti-christ and
way after the new sodoma & gomorah. It means, when those who serve
God and Jesus christ finally go reign with them, and those who choose
not to, make their way to you know where. The bible has never and i can
assure you, mentioned anything about the end of eternity. Actually
its said in the bible that when the end of time comes, those who serve
the lord will "eternally" live with Jesus. These arent exacly the words
but it summerizes it.



Kaylia, they were referring to the Big Bang theory when they talked about
the make up composition of our solar system and planets.
To my non-scientific education and my little research, they seemed
to be correct about what they said.
And i still find best to believe that an explosion should produce, at best,
an outward spray of gas and radiation. This gas should continue expanding,
not form intricate planets, stars, and entire galaxies.

Again, all they did was use science on its own, to show flaws on these
theories.

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