The widely recognized definition of expert....with lots of credentials and such. The list of scientists doubting macroevolution grows daily, and for good reasons

I am going to go out on a lem here and assert that the use of "spontanious" is proving to be a nebulious term. For the purpose of semantics I hereby replace my use of spontanious with "un-caused", in that was the intent. Thusly, un-caused generation of life has remained largely regarded as silly.

But beyond such pedestrian matters, I saw no conviencing evidence in that video or otherwise that was 'proof' of creationism. It was mostly miss-information and a lot of words being shoved into the scientific communities mouth. Much like the assumption that science is "out-to-get" those pesky religious instituions. The parellel comparision of systems was so grossly irreconcilable it was toeing the line of poor tasteful humor.

If they wish to prove creation, they must prove the creator. If not the argument still remains a post hoc ergo propter hoc framework, which is a logical fallacy. Also, until they have fullfilled their side of the arguement the assumption that a lack of proof proves their assertions and only their assertions is an act of intellectual tomfoolery.

As for your assertion that macroevolution grows increasingly tenuious in it's tenative acceptance as law, I do not see that anywhere save the organizations whom such assertions are key to their modis operandi. More and more archolgical evidence is being discovered, which at best re-orders our 'tree of life' but hardly gives any credance to the call to toss it out the window.

To provide a bit of contrast to the videos assertion that mutations only result in disease, I would like to bring up Sickle Cell Anemia. In the populations in which it is prevalent but not fatal, a small mutation in the condition causes the problematic symptoms, there is a very nice side effect to haveing this condition: Immunity to malaria. Many many conditions, including such things as cystic fibrosis, provide protection from other diseases or conditions that may stop an organisim from perpetuating itself.

(nod Taeuvyn)

"There are other dimensions outside our own"? C'mon, man. It's POSSIBLE, but whipping that out there like it's a well-known fact is ridiculous. You can think of gravity's effects like a "bending" of spacetime, which is kind of like imagining a fourth dimension, but assuming there's a whole 'nother INFINITY out there to explore...

In any case, have fun being "cool" by "standing out from the crowd" and "not believing what everyone tells you". I'm done with this thread.

Some recent studies of gravitational forces in relation to sub atomic particles is quite fascinating. The idea of 'indeterminate' states of matter would really put to account some of the more erractic behaviours of quantum matter/energy. Combine that with the nessesary receptor clause of radiation and quantum matter seems to be less and less connected to spatiality. Then throw in the idea that equilibrium does not mean everything must have the same energy, but rather that the exchange is stable, consistent, or somehow otherwise balanced; it may be the case that our universe is allready in a state of perfect 'order' and chaos(or disorder) is really just a result of a reduced quantifiable perspective.