Oh man, only one other time in my life was I this dissapointed in a rpg, and that was Monster Seed.

Imo, Kingdom Hearts is the most overrated game of all time.

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Kingdom Hearts was an excellent game omg... probably one of my favorites of all time.

Halo games were way hyped, but I don't think they were over rated, they are great games. Over hyped does not equal over rated. Over rated means a game is worst then what people admit it is, while over hyped means people talk too much about the game, when they really don't need to. Halo games = over hyped, not over rated.

FF7 = way over hyped and over rated. The only reason is because it was the first major rpg that the general public jumped behind/on bandwagon. Literally days after that rpg came out tons of people were supposedly "rpg players". It was like a testament of being a good gamer to have played through the game, and in all honesty the game was extremely easy compared to the other FFs, and it I think the storyline was good but it doesn't deserve ever been dictated as one of the top 10 rpgs of all time, it just gets that title because every mofo and their mother's cousin burned a copy from their friend and played it on their modded psx.

WoW = is over rated, its like every other damn mmorpg, they just made it easier... how can a game be better if they have to "dumb" it up for you to have fun with it, then I'm sorry you are "stupid" if they have to "dumb" a genre up to make it more fun for you. Thats like the stupid autoaiming in some FPS, thats garbage, if you need you might be "dumb"

Kingdom hearts is way freakin over rated, its a regular damn rpg with disney character thrown in, there was nothing groundbreaking about that game to make it such a big deal, its just everytime the game comes out they do this huge marketing campaign that makes it look like the ultimate creation of the universe.

Madden is so over rated its not funny, its just sick how people think its this amazing game. Its freakin football, every damn year they change the players and add some buzz word to it, and charge you for a whole new game...

Madden 2010 now with Dual Latency AI System 2.0, the game can now play for you, so you can sit down and watch a digital foot ball game!

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I agree. Especially the 2nd one, not any different than the first.

Yeah Kingdom Hearts is way overrated.

as ive probably said before, i hate football video games

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For 90% of the players it's easy. But tell that to people who are in the upper tier of raiding guilds that set the standards for everyone else.


Imagine playing FFXI without any of the tricks that no one had to learn the hard way...like which mobs AoE, which mobs are easiest to grind on, etc. FFXI is easy as well. I could go afk during fights, etc. no problem, because it's not skill based, it's repeating the same process 90% of the time.

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neither whm nor brd can just afk during battle

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Yet anything dps can, and the work that's required per fight by a bard is 2-3 macros. WHMs use 2.

As a thief I used 4, 1 for TP, 1 for Accuracy/damage gear switch, 1 for SC, and 1 for pulling.

Hardest job in the group is probably BLM, since they have to actually time everything....and the tank because he's the pillar of the group. The other 4-5 guys can go to sleep.

As opposed to my currently 20+ situational abilities on my priest, with multiple ranks that are situational as well, as well as twitch gameplay for rogues, actual management control(there's no single class you can take along to lock a target on another one) by the player, not another player, and multiple talent builds, gear builds, and nice things like healing cycles and about 40 formulas to number crunch everytime you get +10 healing on an item.

No, FFXI is easier. The difference is, when you get 70+ in FFXI, you know the game...there are a lot of level 60s in WoW who don't know anything.

About the same % of the population in WoW has killed past Domo in MC as 70+ levels in FFXI, so I'd say that would be about the defining factor of knowing your game. God forbid the endless grind of FFXI doesn't exist, giving you more time to enjoy endgame content(and yes, WoW already has more quality end-game content with 2 Full raids, 1 large raid, multiple small groups and solo quests, small group instances, and small raid instances, as well as three seperate battlegrounds for different amounts of players, as well as 6 different outdoor raid bosses(HNMs), a new zone for high level play focused on group, small raid, and medium raid sized bosses for casual players, and with 1 full and 1 large raid coming next patch, and effectively 2-4 new max level content updates every 2 months instead of FFXI's three). So allowing players to experience the endless high end content as opposed to forcing the players to spend over a year grinding crabs is EASY.

But hey, apparently I'm stupid for not falling for another 2 years of grinding crabs as opposed to being in one of the top guilds in the largest MMORPG. Or maybe WoW is affected much more by skill and strategy rather than a zerg with 5 abilities that everyone mastered months before they ever hit max level.

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WoW is baby's first MMO.... it is like it has training wheels. Seriously Dinav if you can't see how Diabloish and retardedly easy WoW is you need help. Guy I used to work with has done all end game instances and basically admits it is mostly a DPS zerg fest. And if you are AFK most of the time when you party in FFXI then you will suck at your job no matter what job it is really.

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Most of the current popular MMOs are just dumbed down versions of EQ and UO. As far as MMOs go, those were the only really cutting edge ones as they pioneered the field as we know it.

i used 20 macros on bard,
0 on white mage

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Blm is by far the most easy job in xp....dunno if you played same version than me.

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Dinav doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to FFXI. It is pretty obvious. I know you got to 75 THF or whatever but it isn't like you were anything but mediocre at your job anyway. Proof is that you think BLM is hard. BLM isn't hard at all. I know from talking to people in who have beaten MC, BWL, Onyxia, etc that they are easy as fuck. Sorry but WoW is a joke compared to FFXI and nothing you will say can convince me otherwise. Have fun with doing the same instances over and over again for your cool looking gear for your retarded looking cartoon character. Diablo 3 MMO edition FTW. Hope you have fun when everyone beats the instances a week or less after they are released by Blizzard. Nobody has beaten AV period and they aren't close to figuring out a strat to do decent damage to it either.

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How about the pulling mobs, doing 2 skillchains per battle, coordinating SATA, knowing when to hold back or bust loose depending on the tank's level of hate, knowing when to use your abilities, etc. Those other 4-5 guys have a big impact on a smooth party. You must have had some horrible parties in your day, heh.

I can admit I've had some bad parties haha.

But when it comes to high end WoW content, you can "hear from your friend" about how easy it is, or you can listen to me, who was in one of the first guilds to kill every boss in BWL.

When we killed the 2nd boss, we were in the top 20 guilds to do it. When we killed 3rd, we were top 15. Then they changed the difficulty of the first 3 to allow more guilds to experience the instance, and made the next 3 bosses mechanic a little more accessable(as before it was purely luck, they changed it to skill). We ended at 22nd guild worldwide to clear the instance. I know the difficulty of learning content no one knows how to accomplish. In FFXI, you have premade group setups that 90% of the people use, you have dynamis, which IS a zerg fest(don't tell me otherwise, because I've pulled for every one of them cept Xarc).

And no, standing in a line to SAnTA is no skill. It's standing in a line. I was a thief, and I did it hundreds of times. My friend Darksoul was a Samurai, he accounts that the thing he hated most about FFXI was that all he had to do was see the other guys TP, and then he could alt tab. I can link you to a website with the photoshop works he made while in XP groups. And I've never seen a problem with tank aggro...but I was a thief.

Unbeatable isn't "good". Rag was unbeatable in WoW for the first 40% of the game, then bam, one day he was killable. About 20 guilds got him in no time, and to date hundreds have killed him. Content that is new is supposed to be hard, but slow progression, until it's beaten, and then new content is released.

On average, it takes 3-4 months to beat "new" high end content in WoW, and then a new high end zone is released.

Everyone used to do Stratholm and Scholomance as high end content. Eventually they could unlock Upper Blackrock Spire, and high end guilds did it, but low end ones still played in the small instances. Eventually high end guilds moved into Molten Core, and low end guilds moved into Upper Blackrock Spire. Eventually high end guilds killed Onyxia, and then got to Rag. Low End guilds started running MC. Then high end guilds got to BWL, and started working through it. About the time we killed Nef, many low end guilds killed Rag. Everytime new content gets released, old content gets lessened in difficulty, allowing players who couldn't experience it a chance to play it.

As for running the same thing over and over again...I haven't run strat, scholo or ubrs in months. We do MC once a week, and we do BWL once a week.

But honestly, telling me I don't know shit about a game I've played high end content in, and then making incorrect generalizations about a game you have no idea about is just ignorant.

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Not to sound like a jerk, but as a thf you really haven't seen to much of the FFXI end game. Then you bash someone for "what someone told them" and then bring up your sam friend? To me, it sounds like you went to WoW so you could do the end-game stuff as all you did in FFXI was light quests and xp parties. I feel that nearly every game falls short of what the original versions of Ultima Online and Ever Quest had to offer. I mean, when I started UO, sure it wasn't the prettiest game in the world, but the simple fact that you could be walking along and have another real player jump out and kill you added excitment to the game. REAL PVP is what I'm talking about here, you die, they take your stuff. Games like FFXI and WoW are way to unbalanced for the jobs to be able to legitamatly compete against each other, not so in UO or EQ.

I've main pulled every dynamis except Xarc. I was the first NA not in CKD to open the expansion areas....hardly end game, but when I played, I saw the most without being in a biggest LS.

And I can agree, I almost wish I was a big into PC games when UO was out.

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As a rdm, i'm pressing macros and clicking the mouse basically every single second. And I don't have macros for spells or JAs, just gear changes to maximize everything that i do.

I don't know. I believed for a while there was a limit to your skill in FFXI, but after 2 years, I think I was wrong.

You get better by analysing stats with a parser and figuring how to play around with your gear. You also get better with timing ws, magic and other skill to maximize their potential. I'm not talking about magic bursting or skillchaining, but knowing when to do something, and when you should save do a lot.

Knowing how fast monster build tp, when their WS can be outrunned, what aggro/deaggro/link and how, how long sleep last, what monster resist what...etc. All those thing make a player much better, and more than often (especially solo) make the difference between living or dying.

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It's still out, jsut been nooberized for your safety. I really know that there are hundreds of thousands of players out there that miss the danger edge of that game, and some of the EQ servers. All it would take is someone to put they original gameplay with some hawt ass grafics and it would be so on. Granted, Uo had an horribly inflated market when I quit, but I also figured out how to build a character that could make roughly 1mil an hour solo, in less than 4mos from scratch.

lol its a stupid argument to say that everything is already figured out in ffxi, and everyone has cookie cutter jobs/strats/eq/pt set up, give WoW a few years and hundred thousand forum discussions and it'll break down the same

ffxi always always always has some way for you to become better in whichever job you play, be it through gear or understanding of the game itself

lol its a stupid argument to say that everything is already figured out in ffxi, and everyone has cookie cutter jobs/strats/eq/pt set up, give WoW a few years and hundred thousand forum discussions and it'll break down the same

ffxi always always always has some way for you to become better in whichever job you play, be it through gear or understanding of the game itself

I would have to say Ninja tank is the hardest job in the party, if done the right way. Try timing Shadows/Hate lvl/SCing w/ the Sam/Debuffing/Link watch/SATA. A good Ninja Tank does so many things its retarded, from MBing on a SC, to keeping up shadows while trying to hit their own SC. And keeping an eye on mobs that have linked and voking them while keeping hate on the current mob. A good Ninja Tank must been the hardest job in the game, followed by Rdm.

I agree, but you do all of this and much more in WoW, allowing many more variables in strategy that must be accounted for. Multiple Crowd Control abilities, each on seperate timers; faster, but larger fights(fighting 6 mobs at once instead of 1, requiring use of CC in every fight, and putting a more extensive time limit on fights); built-in UI parsers as opposed to ones you must log out for, or risk disobeying a TOS; weapon switches(as opposed to FFXI's full gear switches) for varying fights, forcing you to assess all problems with an encounter before engaging it(wearing DPS gear when you may be forced to tank is risky, but you can dual wield weapons to build up rage faster and dish out more aggro with less damage to be ready to tank should the MT become incapacitated through the mob's crowd control or death); the timing on all mob's special abilities(in WoW they don't use TP, but all of their abilities are on a cooldown, and some have a mana cost); and as a healer, I can tell you first hand the weight of timing your abilities. Healing too fast will pull aggro, too slow will kill someone, and too much will burn your mana and then everyone will die. On average we have 17 healers in each raid healing the MT. Everytime one slacks, everyone has to step up slightly to cover for him. WoW also has dynamic battles. Since the first raid instance, Bliz has made an effort at changing what they called a boss fight. All of MC was simply MT on boss, OT on Adds, kill adds, DPS boss, get epics. BWL has dynamic fights with random factors that must be accounted for. A fair example is the final boss, who randomly calls out a class and uses a special dibiliating ability regarding them. For priests, he makes our heals put a stackable dot on the target, meaning death to whoever we heal. For warriors, they take 50% more damage. Our MT is a warrior, and he can nearly be insta-gibbed by spike damage with that. Paladins are all forced to cast a protection spell on him, nullifying all melee damage for 30 seconds, including the MT's. Mages randomly crowd control players. If the MT gets crowd controlled, most of the raid will die. Last time it happened twice, and somehow we won, but then again, we're some of the best players in WoW. Oh, and that entire fight is the 2nd stage of the final boss. The first stage is killing about 100 enemies who pour out of two gateways. The third stage is every one of those enemies who you've killed being brought back from the dead and attacking the raid. Is this a fair bit harder than popping potions and chainspelling stun?

When regarding all that, and knowing that if one person sneezes and misses a heal, the MT can die and wipe your raid, and that there is no crowd control on bosses(no sleeping HNMs, sorry), and the last hour of fighting rests on the ability of that second guy in aggro line to get healed and position the boss in less than 5 seconds or the raid dies, I call BS on WoW being for stupid people.

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