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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:47 pm 
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microsoft needs to stop trying to make games. xbox sucked, and xbox 360 doesn't impress me either.



online super smash bros. please !



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Nintendo does indeed milk their franchises. But so freaking what? Millions upon millions are gamers are awaiting the Twilight Princess, because we know the gameplay is going to be unmatched, the art beautiful, and the experience unparalleled. Will it completely reinvent the franchise? Probably not. I'm fine with that.

However, Nintendo does NOT allow their franchises to stagnate. Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and Metroid Prime are wonderful examples of a severe break from past traditions, and those three games are considered among the greatest of all time. You guys chide Nintendo for this when game company after game company churns out freaking identical Tony Hawks, World War II sims, Need for Speeds and who knows how many others?

Fuonyuo, the Revolution will be completely online, and completely free. Take that, Live.

And though the Mario sports games all obviously use Mario, they differ quite severely in gameplay, and most are quite good. Super Mario Strikers in particular was an awesome game. I do agree that such constant use of his name, however, will water down the impact of the next TRUE Mario release, and MAN am I psyched about that.


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Ultimaj wrote:
microsoft needs to stop trying to make games. xbox sucked, and xbox 360 doesn't impress me either.



online super smash bros. please !



Im about 90% sure nintendo said that Smash Brothers is going to be online for launch. A new Smash Brothers.

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Ultimaj wrote:
online super smash bros. please !


my brother pulled up a site the other day for SSB3, it didnt look to convincing, but at least you know your not the only one whos looking forward to seeing another one..


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Nintendo does indeed milk their franchises. But so freaking what? Millions upon millions are gamers are awaiting the Twilight Princess, because we know the gameplay is going to be unmatched, the art beautiful, and the experience unparalleled. Will it completely reinvent the franchise? Probably not. I'm fine with that.

However, Nintendo does NOT allow their franchises to stagnate. Super Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, and Metroid Prime are wonderful examples of a severe break from past traditions, and those three games are considered among the greatest of all time. You guys chide Nintendo for this when game company after game company churns out freaking identical Tony Hawks, World War II sims, Need for Speeds and who knows how many others?

Fuonyuo, the Revolution will be completely online, and completely free. Take that, Live.

And though the Mario sports games all obviously use Mario, they differ quite severely in gameplay, and most are quite good. Super Mario Strikers in particular was an awesome game. I do agree that such constant use of his name, however, will water down the impact of the next TRUE Mario release, and MAN am I psyched about that.


omg feep marry me, or just play against me online on the rev. :o


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Im about 90% sure nintendo said that Smash Brothers is going to be online for launch. A new Smash Brothers.
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this is for ultimaj

god damn you can find ANYTHING on wikipedia, i guess the tile right now is SSB-REVO



btw, lol try looking up FFXI in wiki, haha they break it down and tell you EVERYTHING about the game and every thing about everything even slightly related to the game, spent 30 minutes reading this stuff, and i feel like i know everything


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Iwata-san: "I am pushing very hard for Super Smash Brothers for launch of the Revolution."

A new studio was opened solely for the development of Super Smash Brothers Revolution, currently employing 70 to 80 employees. The director is the same director as the previous two entries for the series. Online play has been confirmed, though character additions and retentions have not.

And, uh, Dmitry, calm down there, buddy. ^^


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Feep wrote:
Iwata-san: "I am pushing very hard for Super Smash Brothers for launch of the Revolution."

A new studio was opened solely for the development of Super Smash Brothers Revolution, currently employing 70 to 80 employees. The director is the same director as the previous two entries for the series. Online play has been confirmed, though character additions and retentions have not.

And, uh, Dmitry, calm down there, buddy. ^^


lol k

New characters would be nice but the old ones would be fine with me. The online is where it's going to be at, if they can get it to work without a lot of lag and not charge for the internet service that's gonna be hawt.


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Yarr, all companies make games to make money. Seriously Nintendo tries to sell old remakes of NES and SNES games for GBA... that is all about bleeding money from a stone and they are the first company to try that shit. No Nintendo console prior to Revolution even has been backwards compatible in any way. Xbox360 only has limited backwards compatability, but at least it has it. Nintendo games do hold up over time just as well as crap like Joust and Pac-man.

Nintendo doing this on Revolution will piss on the shitty ass arcade games Xbox Live has at the moment. Too bad Nintendo doesn't have online multiplayer though in most of their newest games... FFXI will be on Xbox360 (beta is already out in stores). Wouldn't be surprised if there is at least one more MMO coming out for 360 either. So while Revolution will offer free downloadable versions of games they have been trying to sell us to make money on GBA... Xbox360 will sell new games playable online and old ass arcade games.


Nintendo tries to make innovative games to make money, but they're gonna fail with the new controller.


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my opinion on mario sports games :


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Yeah there are a lot of mario sports games, but they are ALL very fun and very good so i don't see a problem with it

Nintendo just made a NDS golf game that wasnt mario related....and its also excellent, reading IGN's review

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Nintendo tries to make innovative games to make money, but they're gonna fail with the new controller.

Yeah, whatever. Have fun hitting R2 to swing your sword, punk. (grin)

Seriously. Who would have thought that the DS would succeed over the PSP? If Nintendo can get the same quality software that take advantage of the unique controller as they did with the touch screen, then I'm not worried at all. Besides, there's always the standard shell to fall back on.


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ok et you say that nintendo doesn't really make any exclusive "new" ideas for games and whatnot. Luigi's mansion (IMO a great game, really fun) Pikmin was absolutely awesome, wind waker was an amazingly good game, yea sure the sailing got kinda annoying after a while but w/e i could get past it just to get to the next dungeon to play the game more. All the mario sport games were awesome also. Strikers was a TON of fun, baseball was definately good, but got kinda boring after awhile of playing, mario golf and tennis have ALWAYS been favorites of mine, not to mention i just picked up the newest one for GBA and i'm loving it with the leveling up elements and whatnot. DDR Mario mix was really fun (if your into the DDR games). The mario party games are a lot of fun (i normally skipped one to keep them more interesting). Animal crossing was excellent, on both DS and GC. metroid was awesome. SSBM goes without saying. fire emblem was really popular although i didn't like it that much personally.

Btw i'm glad nintendo sold rare. they fucking sucked haha. Perfect dark i really wasn't impressed with...i don't know if your playing the same conker game i did for the xbox but the multiplayer online absolutely sucked ass due to the overwhelming amount of people camping spawns.

anyway point proven gamecube kicks ass.


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Yeah I love my Gamecube as well, but Pikimin and Luigi's Mansion were pretty much the only new games as far as concepts go. I didn't really care for either of them though. My point was just simply that Nintendo doens't release much more "new" content than anyone else. Oh and spawn camping happens in almost every FPS online. As soon as people learn the spawn points on a map for players.... they camp them for easy kills. Conker is no different than Fear (PC), Goldeneye (N64) or most other FPSs in that respect. Some are worse than others, but yeah its just a part of the genre. Rare has lost it IMO and the Xbox360 releases were kinda mediocre. I didn't hate them, but I feel the long development time on PDZ and Kameo should have yielded better results.

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Ultimaj wrote:
microsoft needs to stop trying to make games. xbox sucked, and xbox 360 doesn't impress me either.


I agree with that alot. the only game I can think of that gives XBox and it's big brother clone ANY merit is Halo and Halo2. I've seen just about -nothing- else that made it worth getting.

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Halo was fun when it first came out, and imo halo 2 was over hyped and it only sold well because of all the fanboys. Xbox sucks pretty much everywhere else.


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Wow, Eternus is in denial or something. Calling Wind Waker ugly/nothing special/just brighter colors and no better than jet set radio is crazy, and saying Nintendo never does anything new is even crazier. I played radio future on the dreamcast. Let's just say Wind Waker outdoes it in every way possible. Just to name one big difference, WW had to have 100x more animations & effects programmed and created for the diverse enemies, not to mention they all look amazing. I mean, skating around forwards and backwards only gets you so far.

Nintendo invented the wireless controller with the wavebird, other companies just followed shortly after the success. The DS's 2 screens and touch screen, and revolution controller is completely different from anything ever before, and they are taking a huge risk with this. This also affects basically every game that is gonna be released on the Revolution obviously.

Those are some of the main hardware examples. At the moment, all I can say about xbox is that they invented the perfect system for setting on top of a VCR? Dunno. Can't really think of much for Sony atm either. I must admit, the controller design from PS1 to PS2 was remarkable but it just doesn't compare with Nintendo's transition.

There are tons of software examples, some have been said already, even though you probably pay no attention to em. Metroid Prime wasn't supposed to be a FPS. You complained about having to explore and click on stuff. Nintendo stated all over the place before release, that this was gonna be a new genre of "First Person Adventure," not shooter. They advertised that clearly.

Super Mario was probably the best translation from 2D to 3D so far, not to mention it was among the first to try it. Lots of companies used that game as a template/guide for their own design and failed.

Saying Wind Waker is like OoT with a boat instead of a horse is like saying Mario Kart is like Burnout with nintendo characters. I don't know what you were expecting, but you can't expect a complete revolution of game design every single time a sequal comes out. 95% of all sequals use the same concept as their predecessor with different enemies, levels, bosses, etc.

And don't forget, the majority of games on a system aren't made by Nintendo. it's obvious that football games are the same thing with new cover.

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There was many wireless controller before Wavebird. They were made by 3rd party tho.

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There was many wireless controller before Wavebird. They were made by 3rd party tho.


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Didn't say the opposite.

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lol Nintendo had a wireless controller for NES.. it was infared and it sucked balls. It was a big fat NES controller haha. Yeah the Wavebird is the first wireless controller that I actually found to be good. It rocked.. but the Xbox360 wireless controller is just as good if not better sadly. I played Dead or Alive 4 online with it and it was just as smooth as a controller plugged directly into the console. I am not in denial.. to innnovate you need to be the person who pioneers something. No fucking way Wind Waker had that many more animations than Jet Grind lol. That game had great graphics for its time and really you guys are fucking Nintendo fanboys for not realizing that SEGA did the innovating on that one. They spearheaded the fad... Wind Waker was fun but it wasn't that great lol. Remove your lips from Nintendo's ass for long enough and you will realize that it wasn't anything groundbreaking.

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Don't really think you're in a position to call anyone a fanboy after all what you've said.

I just felt like making this screenshot to show off.

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Doesn't do it much justice without the animations, but it gets the point across.

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Yeah, that feeling of having perfect control without a wire is nice, isn't it? We've been feeling the same thing for somewhere around 3 years.

No, Zelda didn't pioneer cel-shading, yes, it did it a hell of a lot better than Jet Grind Radio. What's your point?


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Dumbasses I had Gamecube at launch... 3 years my ass. Wavebird is awesome and all, but really Ponuh posted a relatively boring screenshot of Jet Grind and a picture of a boss fight in Wind Waker for comparison lol.... Did you beat Jet Grind? There is alot more to the game than that kind of shit.. like in the larger downtown areas when you have tanks and helicopters after you. I can call you fanboys all I want. You obviously exhibit that behaviour.

I am not a fanboy of any particular brand really. I have all of the last generation of consoles (Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube). I think they all have their advantages, but really Dreamcast did not get its due. Dreamcast pioneered online gaming then MS hired Peter Moore and now uses his experience for Xboxlive. DC also had the first cell shaded game years before Nintendo did Wind Waker. People want to hump MS's leg for Halo2 being online FPS (DC had Quake3 way beforehand lol).

I play Gamecube while I play FFXI, solely due to the Wavebird being the greatest wireless controller of that generation. I do not have a Xbox360, not sure if I would get one seriously lol. I will wait to see how Mistwalker's games turn out and if they get the sequel to Ninja Gaiden. Other than that I think I will get Revolution due to it being cheaper haha. Might get PS3 if it has anything at launch that says to me "must buy".. so far I do not see anything yet. But yeah whose fanboy am I?

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So violent!

Not twenty feet from my person right now are a Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, and X-box...though the X-box is my roommate's. = P I just really enjoy Nintendo's offerings, and this whole Jet Grind Radio vs. Wind Waker argument is pointless. Both games were great, and Zelda was a significant graphical leap over Jet Grind, but that's because it was on more powerful hardware. Who cares?

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