Westboro Baptist Church = attention whores

It sucks that this might delay the release of the Batman sequel. I will not be surprised if this is found out to be a suicide. I really don't give a shit either way though.

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Make it appreciate your parents, not their religion. Mormonism is not the most tolerant of religions.

Oh right because Wiki is alway 100% acurate. You can act like youre all high and mighty Ponuh, but we're talking about Mormons from over a 100 years ago. We're talking about a whole different world\culture.

There is a lot of mixed information about Mormon history, the Mormons went through an incredible amount of persecution. It was legal in many states to kill mormons on sight. Utah was founded by Mormons because they were more or less forced there. The mormon religion as a cult. They were persecuted by mobs and went through tar and feathering.

My point is that Mormons were hated. Getting the facts right about early mormon relgion is hard because the non mormons writing it were bias. For a while the US viewed mormons as a threat. They though that mormons were going to take over.

I could find just as much proof to point out that many of the underground railroad stops were run by Mormons. There were black members of the Mormon relgion in the early starts of the church, however, things were not perfect. We're talking about the early 1800s here. Pretty much everyone had some kind of racial bias. I mean look how bad things are still even today. Its been over 100 years and still there is a lot of racism.

I dont think the Mormons were perfect in the 1800s, but I believe that the church has grown and learnt and become what I think is a very respectful group of people.

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As a witness to yarr's parents, I do have to say I have an astonishing amount of respect for them including their religion. I didn't know much myself about Mormons until I became friends yarr tal and family. I even went to church with their family. Lol i remember asking tal who "joe smith" was ( I said it that way but its really Joesph smith.

And honestly I did read up on everything. And just like yarr said there is an extreme bias. I'm no expert on the religion no. But in my words I feel the religion gets alot of heat because in essence its still a relatively young religion in comparison to others, A Christian faith by all means.

Its unfair IMO how Mitt Romney has to constantly explain himself because of the stories that people literally make up. A couple months ago a politician said don't they believe that the devil is gods brother or something. Seriously stuff like that is ignorant. But this is what mitt has to deal with. Although i won't be voting for him it will not be because he is a Mormon.

Most importantly anyway yarr's parents are too much fun and overall amazing people.

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Don't Mormons believe that the Native Americans are really the original Jews that migrated over from the Middle East into the Americas?

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There are so many Mormons here. I'll admit they are good intentioned people, who are nice to have as a neighbor or whatever. I just don't agree with their beliefs at all. I feel that way about all organized religions though.

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I judge my appreciation of a religion based on what kind of person it creates. I really respect Jews and Morms.

South Park's episode about Mormons is pretty spot on to my feelings about it all.

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Personally, I find it hard to feel bad for anyone who commited suicide. If he didn't then I might feel a pang of sorrow for him.

His acting was so-so, I did enjoy a couple of movies that he was in.

That Baptist church that is picketing is pretty ignorant. He played a fag, something he gets paid to do (hello, he is an actor after all), and suddenly its ok to be gay? meh, w/e people, open your eyes.

I am fairly certain Batman was finished filming, was jsut in the post production/ editing stage. Of course the Joker survives, he had to be Keaton's nemesis on Batman. I'm not sure this will translate into the 3rd movie anywhere, but I am sure we will find out.

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...What are you talking about? He never does. He's made one speech on it total and it's thoroughly off limits for some reason. Gender isn't off the table for Hillary but Romney's Mormonism is very, very rarely discussed.

Yarr, if you want to object to the information of wikipedia then you have to go into specifics. If you can't, then you are in no position to dispute its authenticity in the first place. I never said I hated mormons. They're nicer people generally than protestants--that's true. Still, the religion is supremely fucked up in a lot of ways and is arguably more irrational then protestantism or catholicism.

And when you said "The US viewed mormonism as a threat", I believe you mean, "The US viewed mormonism as a cult." Just as they SHOULD view the westboro church

If you believe in mormonism then fine, but if you don't then you have to agree that it at least began as a cult of personality. Anyways, here's a bit more relevant empiricism

"The LDS church actively campaigns against same-sex marriage statutes, including donating $500,000 in 1998 towards a campaign to defeat such a referendum in Alaska" Ostling, Richard and Joan (1999). Mormon America. Harper Collins, 278-285. ISBN 0060663715.

You can be gay and in the church, but if you must remain celebate or you will be excommunicated. Hmm, even a lot of protestant churches are more tolerant than that. In fact, if you read this stuff (and not categorically deny it all as jew propaganda or whatever like yarr does) then you'll find that the LDS is venomously, pathologically intolerant.

Here are some things that Richard Abanes uses to support his argument that the LDS is cult-like.

* "Us vs. them" mentality
* Authoritarian leadership
* Expelling dissenters
* Rigid controls over personal life
* Dismissing all criticisms as persecution
* Withholding information contrary to church teachings
* Deceptive recruitment techniques

Ponuh. Its a religion. It follows the laws of the bible. What do you expect?

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For you not to be an apologist if you're even a quarter as rational as I think you are.

You say you judge a religion based on what kind of people it turns out and you also say that mormons are generally good people (including your parents).

Well, if they were really following their religion then they'd be hatemongering bigots. Luckily, they're heretical to their own faith enough not to be (in this instance, at least. I'm sure they're fine people but who knows)

No religion is 100% correct

DAMNIT--well, I read the message you edited supafly


...and I'm glad you did, because we both know that you're grasping at straws here

yea got tired of picking at ya lol

Yeah, that's always tough when you try and make things up. In other news, I'm seriously doubting you can read.

yea me 2! Which is why I edited that one lol

That made me lol hard. Are you serious? Definitely lolwut moment for you at the time eh?

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Even as a lonely shut-in with depression, I can say I think life is wonderful. It's probably because I ignore bad things. lol

In other news I got this Giants/Eli Manning t-shirt. I think it's pretty cool.

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i remember when I was in that church being younger, mornon Girl are good looking too.

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In news about the batman release, it's still on schedule I was reading today at work. In fact, I believe one of the marketing people (Might've been a different title) was talking about how this movies going to make lots of money due to his untimely passing, and that it wasn't going to be delayed, but more shown to honor him. So on, and so forth.

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*Still wonders if the joker survives the ending. I planned to see this movie anyway but it's America, of course people cash in more when someone famous dies.

How much of the movie is he not wearing mask/make-up? If he wears it most of the movie, can get someone to play joker in another movie.

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I know Jack Nicholson(sp) was mad he wasn't even asked for the role in the first place.

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This statement doesn't really make any sense to me. If you believe in a religion then you believe it's true, 100% true. If you don't believe in a religion, then you believe that all religions are 0% true. There really shouldn't be a middle ground. So many people live like there's a middle ground.

You may agree with some of the things that they teach since they probably coincide with your lifestyle, but you would believe they're right for different reasons than "The bible says so" or "This is that God commands."

I'm getting kind of sick of all the religion hating. Not just in yarrthepirate, but in America. It's become cool to hate religion, and as a result the religious are the ones getting the generalizations and stereotypes. There are plenty of crazy people in the world, and a lot of them happen to say they're religious so they have a reason to be crazy. I'm a nice guy, if you met me and was my friend you probably wouldn't hear much about religion, and you wouldn't say "Look at that religious queer."

It's fine to think some religious people are crazy, there are plenty, but to say "I HATE RELIGION" is just as hate-filled as the religious people you don't like.

Anyways, carry on. That baptist church should not be allowed to protest for a lot of reasons.

Ahahhaha, don't worry. You're just in an intellectual community in university. Once you move back into the world you'll realize that what you just said is so contrary to reality it's sickening hahah