. . . Oh ok and when Nazi Germany started killing millions of jews, HEY thats not out problem let them deal with it.
We care Lani because we are decent human beings who believe everyone has the right to live and be happy. . . Atleast i know I am.

But the point is you dont charge into a war w/o people backing you up. You dont piss off the world cause some people are being hurt. I mean jesus. This entire world is full of assholes, why dont we just freaking conquer it?! I mean we care so damn much.

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Jesus christ Arlania. I never said we should take over the whole world. But I am not going to let some jackass rule his country and kill thousands of innocent people that is just not going to happen. I am going to do whatever is in my power to make sure the people who want to live their lives and raise their families CAN. Thats why I am a fucking proud ameriCAN. Not everyone can just sit at home and watch cartoons and play video games all day, but everyone should.

What will happen when we say "Oh fuck it, i dont care if millions of people are dying. As long as i can play games and watch TV, I dont care!" I will tell you what, the same people who were killing millions will come kill you. Maybe you should listen in history next time.

Im not trying to be mean, but you are seriously pissing me off.

First thing first here..... we should help the people in this country! We have people that are dieing out there every day. We have people that dont know wether they can make their next mortgage payment. we have people that dont know wether or not their job will be around tomorrow. What about those people. Honestly I think we should help people but I dont think we should go out and help before we have our own shit done right.


Ever wonder why the world doesnt look to foundly on America? cause of this crap. We think we can do whatever we want damnit. Who are we to go change an entire country?! Saddamn wasnt immortal was he? He would die at some point. His own people could have stopped him regardless!

Its not empowered to us to help every damn person there is. We, no matter what we may think, are not God's right hand. We dont have the right to judge an entire goddamn country and invade. Thats what starts wars. Hitler invading started WWII.


And by the way what Hitler did was bad. So the entire world bounded together to stop him. THE ENTIRE WORLD. Who is backing us in Iraq? It seems more and more people are leaving us as people we know die. I am in no way at all down playing any one who has lost a loved one at all so dont take it like that. They sacrificed for our country and there is no greater honour then that.

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When you say I dont care if you get killed. You are no better than the killers themselves. Say that i care too much, maybe i do. But you know what I am happy that i have the freedoms i do. Everyone should have freedom, even the jackasses. But once you take those freedoms from someone, you will have to answer to me and every other person who gives a fuck.

Yes everyone should have freedom...but we shouldnt have to go to someplace and MAKE them have freedom. Its the people's choice. We have no right to go over to a country and go "yeah.. you were ruled by a tyrant, now you should have a democracy!"

We are not the apostles of freedom.


I dont think you care too much. In fact I care too. I just dont see the sense in it all, and I understand why other countries view us as they do. We are coming off more and more like we own the damn world and we do what we want. Countries dont want another country having that kind of attitude...

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Suddam is not immortal, but his REGIME will still be there when hes dead. Not to mention his two sons who were exactly like him. THink of that? Guess not. It's not like everyone who being oppressed can stand up and say "This is bullshit" and take down the oppressors. However we do have that power so its our duty to FUCKIN USE IT.

America has starvation and dying just like the rest of the world this is true. But most of the world lives off less than a dollar a day. Hell even the homeless here get more than that sitting on their ass all day. There will be starvation and dying as long as there are humans. BUT innocent people should not have to die just because someone doesnt like their race/religion/whatever. YOU are epitomizing why America is hated. So am I, but i am hated by the oppressors who want nothing but power. What you are saying is why the oppressed hate us. To have peace there must be war, WW1 WW2 and every war there has been has proved it. So War will come to those who ask for it.

Yarr lock this thread i dont want to hear any more educated ignorance.

Its not your place to say what is right and what is wrong and then enforce it... If your neighbor was beating his family is it your duty to go beat him? If your country knows that another country is being ruled by a tyrant do you have the right to stop them? no you dont. You have the righ to speak out against it. you have the right to encourage the oppressed to rebel. EVERYONE has the ability to stand up for themselves. If you cant stand for what you want then you dont fucking get it. its that simple. If I was being ruled by a zealot do you think I would rebel? yes I would if it wasnt what I wanted. You dont wait for people to hand shit to you. You go out and do it. WE ARE NOT THE GODDAMN POLICEMEN OF THE WORLD. We are country! They are a country! Who is to say that a democracy fits them? Do we have that right to say what is right and what is wrong? No we dont. We have the ability..the ABILTIY to bring this to the attention of other countries and get a general opinion. We do not have the right to charge in head strong and then try to figure out a way to set up THEIR government. Its THEIR government not ours. After we invaded we should have just left. They are people, they can stand up for themselves.

You have to face it . We as America are power hungry.

Im not saying dont help the helpless, and im not saying suddamn was ok, im not saying that killing people is good.



What stops you from taking down someone who oppresses you? Fear? overcome it. The only thing that can truly stop you from obtaining what you want is lack of motivation.



Edit: there is no right and wrong on this view. You have your view I have mine. No need to get so pissed at something you dont view as correct. Im just offering a counter statement.

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Arlania that is the dumbest shit i have ever heard. If i knew my neighbor was beating his wife, YES it is my duty and responsibilty to do something about it and you bet your ass i would. You have a whack view on life arlania maybe you should step outside and think about the other people living out there who can't sit here and throw their lives away.
What you are saying is we should seperate ourselves from each other and don't care about each others needs. That is segregation dumbass, that was wrong and one of the worst chapters in American history. I said we shouldn't be the police of the world earlier. BUT if no one else will help the helpless then America will stand up and do whats right. Not be some stuck up assholes who dont do shit. Obviously you cant grasp what im saying so ill put it in terms you can identify with.

You should be real glad i dont know you in real life cause i would make you life a living hell. ( Here I am as the Oppressor and you are the oppressed, still with me? ) I make fun of you every single day, not just at school and work but at your house too. When you try to stand up for yourself me and my friends make life even worse for you. You can't stop us even when you try. Is that fair? NO. HMMMMM GEt the help of those who can ( i.e. AMERICA ) Counselor, Teacher, friends, or even the police. Since they have the power to let you live your life they are going to use it. Just like how America has the military power to stop dictators.

I've said this once but you didnt catch up on it. BY YOU IGNORING THE KILLING AND THE OPPRESSION IS JUST AS BAD AS YOU OPPRESSING THE PEOPLE YOURSELF. WITH POWER COMES RESPONSIBILITY, America as one of the leading World powers has the responsibility to protect the weak and punish the wicked.

Power Hungry? No. We have power if we wanted more we could take it THAT would make us power hungry. But we don't, we use the power we have to help others.

The problem is Arlania is what you are saying is as offending to me as it is ignorant. Millions of jews were killed because America was neutral and did not care what happened in Europe. And your attitude is the thing that will let it happen again.

We shouldnt even be scared of Korea anymore... look what I found




We are all gonna die....

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Make light of what i said all you want. But the truth is its people with beliefs like mine that made it possible for you to be alive. And you should be greatful for that and do what you can to do it for others. You may say that you are greatful but you sure as hell don't act like it.

Seriously does this even get through to you? The holocaust took place because people thought like you. Oh its not me so its not my problem but it is your problem. You having that attitude disgraces the lessons we learned from that tragedy, thus disgracing the victims. Im afraid that something like this will happen to me or the people i love. And people like you will help make it happen.

Thats the last i will say cause you obviously dont care for the problems of others.

O and by the way.. its really mature to start flinging names Atmos....






And yes you get the power of the people that have been....you ready for this?...... ASSIGNED THAT POWER. They didnt assign themselves power!

My arguement is not that we shouldnt do anything, its that we have NO RIGHT to do anything. Just because you have the power doesnt mean you use it.

You are aware that we use the whole helping the people thing as a cover story for why we are truly over there right? This isnt about the people... this was never about the people. Buy into the lies all you want but this was about the money plain and simple.


You keep reciting WWII and the holocaust like you were there? were you? If not than please stop citing it. My entire family was in that war, and you know what they think right now? that we are over in Iraq wasting our time thats what. You want to tell them they are ignorant? then go ahead.. fine.

Stick up for what you believe in but dont FUCKING EVER SLAM SOMEONE ELSE's VIEW. You are not right and I am not right. I dont recall ever throwing names at you im stating what I believe in. its an OPINION. You dont like my opinion? fine then. But in no way shape or form DO YOU HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I SAY IS DUMB and not allow me to view your's the same why. I value your point and you seem to be not understanding that.







Im sorry it offends you but I dont believe it is ignorance. Its ignorance not to listen to another side of your view and to not listen with a cool head on your shoulders. Im not going to change what you have to say and you wont change me either. But slandering is not going to impress me on your view point.

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Arlania just stop talking about what you know nothing about. Just go back to watching cartoons and playing video games. You are lead into the lies that bush is only out for a personal vendetta, by people who dont want him in office. No i dont like Bush, but he is not going to needlessly send American lives into harms way.

Atmos.... I dont watch cartoons and play video games all day. How much do you know on this subject? Are you in the top branch of the government at this very moment?

It seems to me that you just dont want to view another persons opinion.. You dont want to hear it unless its what you want.

Why dont you think Bush would risk lifes for personal gain? Do you think he cares about each and every soldier? You do realize that greed is the most driving factor there is right? Sure I have no proof..but you have no proof either to say he isnt.

Are they lies Atmos? How would you know? You think they are because you BELIEVE they are. Unless you somehow became omniscient I would say I have as much a right to my opinion...because that what this is all about..our OPINIONS.

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WWIII is gonna start in this topic at this rate

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Arlania, has bush taken any oil? no. Have we not given them billions of dollars to further their cause? Yes. Have we sent our sons daughters brothers sisters to their country to fight for thier freedoms? Yes. That is all the proof you need. Who cares why we went there, what matters is what we do while we are there. I never said you watch cartoons and play video games all day, you keep putting words into my mouth. I said go back to playing your games and watching your cartoons. Because you can, billions of others can't and you seem to ignore that.

And dont even fucking question my maturity. Have you ever over come and addiction? Have you had to turn your backs on all your friends? I doubt you have done either. It took more maturity to tell my friends i never want to see them again than you can ever dream of.

Bush may be an asshole, but he is not going to send American men and women to their death for his own personal gain I can guarentee that for a fact. Because no matter how much you doubt it most of America are good people, not only selfish greedy bastards you seem to categorize us as.

I will respond with just this.

Dont bring your life expierences into this discussion unless they pertain to it... Im sorry to hear you turned your back on you friends and im happy to know you overcame such an addiction.

But dont stoop to calling names. And dont have such a closed mindset that only you are right. I provided my view on this subject and that is all.

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Oops, time to make another enemy...

Atmosphere--If you believe that nowof all times there will be nuclear war, then you must not have realized how close we were in the 1960's. Two superpowers had hundreds or thousands of nukes aimed at each other and their fingers were RIGHT on the triggers. But then, something amazing happened! They both said, "Hmm, why the hell would we do this? What's the goddamn point?" And...some other stuff but the point is is that it's very typical scared American to think WWIII is around the corner. The only person who could start a World War is the United States.

Anyways I should be doing Driver's Ed homework

get on it lazy ass! and make me some toast!

Drivers Ed homework? They have homework for that?.

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Yeah what the hell.

Like what? drive over here... now drive ummmm there!

Do you run over people? Yes No
Do you stop at red lights? Yes No
Does yellow mean floor it like a mother f**ker!? Yes Yes

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Please, spare me that load of shit... or at least be sure to mention you entered both wars ridiculously late, when the Allies were starting to push the Axis back anyhow.



Uh, have you taken a history class lately? It's widely agreed on that America LOST that war.... Sure, they could have won, IF General McArthur had listened to China's ultimatum to not progress past a certain boundary... but he ignored that, got China on his ass, and got pushed back to pre-war boundaries... Vietnam was a totally pointless war, and if anything, the Viet Cong won


Plane, US did... Car, US, fine.... Nuclear power/bomb... Canada actually played a major role in the invention of the atomic bomb, so it wasn't all entirely American... and don't forget that the Russians learned how to make atomic weaponry very shortly after the Americans did.




Nah, the "almighty" US of A just ran Russia out of money, that's the real reason the Cold War ended... it was just a matter of time

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And I still lost /cry

Just found this...


http://www.opednews.com/thoreau_012405_coronation.htm


Kinda interesting.

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Did u take history class. U are clearly wrong here. MacArthur was Korea buddy. We lost korea because of China. Also we are the one that provoked China first by saying that we would bomb them. Then China gave us the ultimatum........ China is the one that came in and kicked the US south of the DMZ. I would CLEARLY suggest checking up on ur history knowledge before ripping into others. :D

Also w/ Vietnam we lost (1) Before Vietnam the US had never had to use pure 100% Gurillea Tactics. This is were the US lost the war. One lone Viet Cong or Regular could kill 4-6 US soldiers by using a sniper rifle and a tree. Read the books The Tunnels of Cu Chi and Hill 488. I think this will give u a better understanding on what happened over there. Both are true accounts of the war. Tunnels of Cu Chi also says that the North Vietnamese were perparing of a war like this of 20+ years. Honestly if the US knew what they were getting into they never would have went. Hell it took 7 years to figure that out and by then it was too late.



Don't forget Germany was about 2-4 months away from having their own nuclear weapon when they were defeated.

Atmos I cleary support 90% of what u said. I don't think I would have slammed arlania though only bc we live in the US and one of our freedoms is Free Speak and because of that we are allowed to say what we all said on here. If it were in some country we could be put in jail or killed for what everyone has said in this thread.[/b]