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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:31 pm 
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Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
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it's a shame they take forever to cast and most DRKs would just rather keep trying to swing instead of putting time aside to debuff.


Yeah those are the same DRKs who post on KI looking as though they use the AOLer translator. (type in a paragraph for like 3 seconds of amusement.) http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/ao ... lator.html ;p

Anyway, yeah most of the higher end ws are non-elemental based, so I guess the true purpose of them would be to enhance certain items like.. I think the Rai Kunimitsu has some damage bonus on firesday. The elemental rings from avatars would be hot for some jobs like wind ring for nin (evasion if they need it.) , or fire ring for ranger (ranged attack +15 or whatever)


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MNKs can just auto-attack. How I envy them.


I hate you. You can't get Chain 36! if you "just auto-attack." :roll:


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Anyway, yeah most of the higher end ws are non-elemental based, so I guess the true purpose of them would be to enhance certain items like.. I think the Rai Kunimitsu has some damage bonus on firesday. The elemental rings from avatars would be hot for some jobs like wind ring for nin (evasion if they need it.) , or fire ring for ranger (ranged attack +15 or whatever)



ANYWAY YAAH MOST OF DA HIGHER 3ND WS R NON-ELEMENTAL BAESD SO I GUES TEH TRU3 PURPOSE OF THEM WUD B 2 3NHANC3 CERTANE IETMS LIEK.!!!11111!1!11!! OMG I THINK DA RAE KUNIMITSU HAS SOM3 DMAEG BONUS ON FIERSDAY!1!!1! DA 3LEMENTAL RNGS FROM AVATARS WUD B HOT FOR SOM3 JOBS LIEK WIND RNG FOR NIN (EVASION IF THEY NED IT)!!!1!1 OMG WTF OR FIER RNG FOR RANGER (RANG3D ATAK +15 OR WUTEVAR)


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Ya, it baffles me too Matti. Haha. Also, it's unfortunate that a good number of the DRK population are total boobs. Maybe myself included but whatever. Haha. I saw some screens of a DRK hitting weapons for 70-100 in sky, that shit is just wrong.


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:? 70-100? Was he naked using a club or something? Mnk's do that like per fist heh.

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I have no idea. The log was maximized. I don't want to say his name, because he'd probably be really embarassed. lol


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So true...type it backwards then nobody will know ;) 8)

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So true...type it backwards then nobody will know ;) 8)


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thanks for staying on topic guys:P

as for ppl not liking samurai, you can all go to hell... many parties i have been in i have only bee 2%shy of rng damage in exp, and yes samurai are very powerful. As for Tavalin being the best equipped samurai, well... lets just say im almost there (sam/rng and working in my archery)...

and to all you ppl that just get rngs for exp cuz they rock, go die


I love SAM. One of my best friends in the game is a Mithra SAM (Trizin) he has great equip and plays well. We have been exping together since lvl 65ish and I have never liked any melee DD more. <3 SAM. They tear it up in exp parties.

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Hey atleast you guys don't have to hit a button everytime you want to attack, and can cast while attacking. Try tanking as a rng... omg it sucks! :D



I know :( This is one of the thing that annoy me the most with rng. I need some sort of "ranged attack bot" :D As for tanking with rng, ranged macro and recast is indeed a pain.


As for melee, if they are played correctly, none of them suck. They can all get at least 5k-6k/hour PT which isn't too bad. However, only rng and mnk seem to be able to break this limit.

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As for melee, if they are played correctly, none of them suck. They can all get at least 5k-6k/hour PT which isn't too bad. However, only rng and mnk seem to be able to break this limit.


Damn where are these PTs at? Is this with a NIN tank or something? lol. I have been topping out for about 3.5 - 4k per hour with like my last 4 PTs. If there is a 5k-6k/hour PT... {Please let me join} ;P

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Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
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Oh, and from what I can gather about the elemental Obi pieces, the waist pieces, they make it so the user always has the benefits of that particular day. For example, with the Fire Obi equipped, fire spells will do more damage, ice should do less damage, and anything else affected by the day will be affected as well. The main draw to this for me is, the Mighty Lance, which, on firesday, has a DMG rating of 99...so with the fire obi equipped along with a Mighty Lance, I have a weapon with DMG: 99 all the time 8)



No. From what I've gathered they only enhance the bonuses you get during those days. In other words, the random 10% bonus to lightning spells on lightningsday would happen on every cast instead of some while wearing the lightning obi.


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Corwin you have one of these right?

Giving the full effect on the day only would make sense, otherwise I imagine the quest to be even more of a pain in the ass than it already is.

If that's the case... have I mentioned how much I hate conditional gear?


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Damn where are these PTs at? Is this with a NIN tank or something? lol. I have been topping out for about 3.5 - 4k per hour with like my last 4 PTs. If there is a 5k-6k/hour PT... {Please let me join} ;P

Just need to get 6 non gimped people at the same level who know how to play. :P Kinda hard to do on pickup pt


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No. From what I've gathered they only enhance the bonuses you get during those days. In other words, the random 10% bonus to lightning spells on lightningsday would happen on every cast instead of some while wearing the lightning obi.

First time you tried your enfire, your dmg went from 19 to 20? :neutral: Would it be 5%?

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Mnk and Rng ownz dont really care about the end game dmg heh

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I have two of the obis, fire and wind. And I don't know the actual % Kaylia. I just remember someone mentioning a 10% dmg bonus on another forum.


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Murph wrote:
Deffinately once you get Ni you have some type of tanking potential.


Dont even need Ni really to tank exp mobs on WAR =p. Utsu 1 is good enough dmg reduction to duo IT stuff with a whm or rdm even at lv 70+.


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I do agree with you on endgame XP. Other jobs do catch up a bit to rng's, but I don't think they surpass them.


From personal experience all the ranger ive pted with have never parsed particaularly high.

Heres some random PT at aura statue we had:
Kayne on MNK, Me on NIN tanking, kaylia on war with great axe, jong using crossbow i think.

http://66.250.40.207/ffxi/01-21-2005.html


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But anyway, i didn't have uber gear and stuff. The huge problem with crossbow is the delay which is particularly big. Really can't match with MNK and their kick attacks, triple attacks etc.
Rng kinda need to put merit to max rapid shot and get af2 body to overcome the huge delay on crossbow. Then maybe, they will rock.


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Nice Ilm! Didnt know NIN did that much DMG. You outdamaged Kaylia, lol. And Kayne is just seksi, end of story ;P

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Because our rng buy cheap bolt with their crossbow :P Need them to use Gun with real bullet.

And about Utusemi: ni it's useful but i cant tank with it alone, I need utsusmi: ichi.

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No. From what I've gathered they only enhance the bonuses you get during those days. In other words, the random 10% bonus to lightning spells on lightningsday would happen on every cast instead of some while wearing the lightning obi.


Ah ok, lol. Like i said, I dont have one for myself yet so I can't really confirm anything, that's just what I had read on a couple websites and heard from a couple people in game.

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Nice Ilm! Didnt know NIN did that much DMG. You outdamaged Kaylia, lol. And Kayne is just seksi, end of story ;P


Yea kaylia wasnt level 75 at the time i dont think.

Yea NIN has pretty good DPS; i wasnt even wearing all offensive gear and tanking/utsu garbage slows you down a decent amount.

Skye on war/nin with ridill probably matches kaynes damage =p. both are a real bitch to hold aggro from haha.


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