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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:08 pm 
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I'm sure mose of you guys think Ero deserves, I could give a rats ass, it's just sad to see how everything needs to be generalized.


People just need to learn to take generalizations with a grain of salt. its called a GENERALIZATION for a reason haha.

And btw i dont hate you lappi. =P


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Grain's of salt still sting!!!! :evil:
Good... you better not... Or I'd have to rip your sorry balls out of your sack and feed them to some poor orphan in Jeuno... :neutral:


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You made the post.. not us. . you expect us to sit by and not defend ourselves even after you're saying you've heard rumors that we do that? =\ That puts us in a hard position. If we defend ourselves we look like botters. If we don't, we look like botters.


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You are basing with a bias towards CKD because you (much like all of Monarchy) hate CKD, don’t worry, you do get a special category for your hate.

Question... how the hell did you generalize ALL of Monarchy to hating CKD? Reality check, sure enough some may dislike SOME ppl of CKD but no one said all members of Monarchy hated all members of CKD. Step out of your house for a second and smell the beautiful air outside. The game is rotting your head~


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You made the post.. not us. . you expect us to sit by and not defend ourselves even after you're saying you've heard rumors that we do that? =\ That puts us in a hard position. If we defend ourselves we look like botters. If we don't, we look like botters.


I'd lose respect for you if you didn't defend yourself... Oh well, people are taking cheap shots on both sides. End it or I'll kill you all...

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/sigh when i went to work this morning this topic seemed to be slowing down... guess not.

This is me, no1 else..... this makes me sick. I like CKD and alot of people in it.
I dont screw with .dat files or bot.

I didnt know wth was going on at the end of the kill.

Im glad we got the loot, eventhough we did not have killshot( will not go into this because it will just cause more fighting)

Ive been playing this game for a long freakin time, and its the first time I got to fight Nidhogg. Dispite all the drama crap, i had one hell of a time. Thats all that matters, and i dont really care what happened after that.

Do not throw mud in our faces because it was our FIRST time to fight this thing and we got it to less that 1%. I think that is a pretty good accomplishment considering we have had next to NO practice with same type mobs( i.e. Fafnir)

Man.. seriously, please stop this. Its gonna take both sides to stfu and accept what happened. ITS DONE. I feel like im back in highschool trying to think about about all this ><

Simple. We claim, we die. We claim again, get it to less that 1% we die( doesnt matter if we COULD have killed it or not, we will never know) It was a spamfest because both sides where told to take claim, KFC won, we got drops.

And yes Yarr, we where gonna wipe the first time, but it didnt happen that way, no1 is gonna argue that point because its the truth. Ive learned that HNM camps work this way, crazy shit happens, just a matter of how you deal with it.

Last thing, and I feel I must say something, about the .dat files. Its funny, the info was leaked from our own forums but the whole post could not be read because we caught it first. We are a HNM ls, it was a HNM discussion. DISCUSSION, as in, not a decision. I dont use it, dont ever plan on it, and dont ever wanna know if it is used.


This is my peace, and my plea to stop. Like I said, I like most of CKD, respect most of the members and dont want to see this do anymore damage that it already has.

I'm saying im sorry for anything that I might have done, in hopes that this can be put behind us.

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I never once accused anyone of using a voke bot.

I said that people are removing the dat file to allow for easy spaming voke. With darters in the way you can just spam voke. With the .dat file gone you can spam all you like. No, its not botting, but it is a direct violation of the ToS and it does give you an advantage over honest players.

So dont try and be all sly about it. Ive had to many people tell me about the thread explaining how to remove darters on the FS forums for me to think it never happend.

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As far I read what yarr said I would have to agree what also Ketrebu said. So this is just a game so no need to get all piss off and break your keyboards. But getting the claim and kill it would be nice.

I can wait for another day and another claim. :neutral:

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I agree with yarr... There is bound to be certain suspicions (sp?) if it's been talked about on the forum, then again I haven't seen what FS said on their thread...so I just made this post with no knowledge, yeah.









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I deleted "Sirek"'s post because

1) who is that guy?
2) Hes just trying to say arthars name again
3) Who the hell is that guy, he keeps talking about me like I know how he is or something.



WHO ARE YOU? :?

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Had a big long reply, deleted it. Ok, you have the right to your own opinion, as does every1 here. I KNOW it wasnt used, you just got beat. It was unclaimed long enuff for me to tab through all the darters 2X. Sure, I might have a quick thumb, but not that fast. All I can say any further is I dont use it, so yea..... Believe me or not.

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I actually didn't think I had time to snap a screenshot of his health, I knew spike flail was coming. But it looks like I was fast enough. Check out his HP.


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It's almost fucking sickening to see ourselves so you don't have to fucking rub it in that we didn't get the fucking kill shot. Big fucking deal, we worked it there and I'm proud anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:05 pm 
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well, i like too many CKD members too much to say anything negative about the LS as a whole...but yarr...you're the only disappointment in the whole LS...i officially delete my account here...so long.

edit: i dont' think i can delete it on my own...be a pal and do it for me yarr =P
anyone else dont hesistate to ask me for help..crafting etc.... bye^^


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First of all, understand my perspective. The entirety of my comments IN THE GAME at Nidhogg was limited to "I'll withhold my judgement on this until people are coolheaded enough for the truth to come out." or something to that effect. The entirety of my comments on the original thread regarding this situation was basically a congratulations to FS. I think FS did well, bad luck on that last Flail, but whatever. If I were head of a linkshell, and I had been in Arthars place, I would have given the loot up as well. The same can't be said of many people posting here, both FS and CKD... I can count the number of truly kind players on this server on one... nah, actually, it takes two hands, but still, you get the point.

I'm sure some people are going to say, sure, whatever, Aalan is just saying that because he's CKD and he's trying to make CKD look better, no way he would give up the loot... And I expect them to, and I understand and forgive them for thinking that way. I know they're wrong, and that's enough for me.

This game would be a much nicer place if the kind people were in charge of the LSes. We'd have some understanding, then. We'd have people in charge who understand that it is human nature to jump to conclusions, that it is human nature to make assumptions and to fly off the handle when tempers are hot. We understand and forgive when people say mean and nasty things in the heat of the moment.

Some things were said by CKD members at the close of the Nidhogg incident that I wish hadn't been said. But I can't in good conscience EXPECT anything different than what happened. Nor should any of you. Shame on anyone who says otherwise; it just shows that you don't have any more of an understanding of the situation than those CKD members did.

Try, if you will, to see things from their perspective. For just a moment at least. Keep in mind that CKD has a history with KFC and Arthars. You may say it's bogus, that the things we say about KFC are completely untrue, but remember, those CKD members BELIEVE those things, they believe them with all of their being. It doesn't matter what you think about it, it's what THEY think that you need to consider here.

So, here's the perspective of CKD at the end of Nidhogg:
1.) Nidhogg = a sliver of health so small that the only way I can tell Nidhogg is still alive is that his name is still in purple.
2.) Arthars = Chainspell.
3.) Nidhogg = Spike Flail.
4.) Almost everyone in the pit = dead. This includes FS and CKD, KFC was too far away for me to say if many, if any, of them died.
5.) Arthars claims and kills Nidhogg.

OKAY, NOW WAIT! Think about what we're seeing here, as CKD. We dislike KFC with a passion, for our own reasons. Lets say that YOU, the READER, dislikes KFC as well. Remember, you're supposed to be trying to see this from our perspective, so you have to try and keep in mind that we don't like KFC, and we REALLY don't like Arthars.

What we saw was our hated enemy steal Nidhogg from a fellow NA linkshell, and land a single killing blow. As you might imagine, this got many of us rather incensed, and that really shouldn't come as any surprise. All we knew was that KFC was hovering like a flock of vultures over Nidhogg, and bam, just after a fellow NA linkshell was smacked by Spike Flail, Arthars pounced. We were understandably pissed. Our enemy had one-upped not just us, but another group of NAs. To expect CKD to be anything but pissed in that moment is folly.

So, now we're already pissed off. Then people start saying that FS **asked** Arthars to kill it. Now, as a person ALREADY in a foul mood over Arthars having killed Nidhogg, to hear that a fellow NA linkshell **asked** him to do it, thereby betraying the NA community, was really a proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Remember, it doesn't matter if you, the reader, personally believe that this action amounted to FS having betrayed the NA community. CKD members felt that way, and that's what matters, since we're here to understand WHY certain people reacted the way they did.

So, now we've gone from being disgusted with Arthars for having stolen Nidhogg, to having a fellow NA linkshell betray the NA community by **asking** Arthars to steal Nidhogg. From one insult to another, so to speak. To expect anything from a human being other than rage and hotheadedness in that moment is to ignore common human nature. The vast majority of people on this Planet Earth do not possess the self-control to hold themselves back in such a moment, so it really shouldn't come as any surprise that certain people acted the way they did. Especially when those people supposedly have, as some in this thread have said, a reputation for being hotheaded to begin with.

Should those things have been said? No.

Should we try to be the better man, so to speak, and forgive people for speaking out of an emotional state of mind when they weren't in possession of the full array of facts? Yes.

Should we stop trying to mimic politicians, they way they respond to mudslinging with more mudslinging? Yes.

What I'm asking here is for both sides of this to give the other some quarter. Show a little understanding. Show a little of that long-lost kindness that it is so abysmally rare to find in this era of humanity.

Of course... I don't really hold out any hope of anyone really listening to me. When people are mad, they usually don't want to listen to reason. They don't want to calm down, they want to vent their frustrations.

But I damn sure do wish they wouldn't.

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J... dude... that pic makes me sick. Its seriously like 1 pixel... that's just messed up...

Misharu, I know you don't bot bud, I'll stick up for you anyday of the week, count on it.

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Why does it matter who we asked to kill it? We had the original claim. Like I said in earlier posts, just because you guys have a bad past with KFC, doesn't mean we do.

We did most of the work (99% once and I'm not sure how far they took it down before the first wipe). We got the loot. Why's this need to be go any further? Why accuse us of removing .DAT Files based on a "discussion" from someone reading our private forums?

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Nothing is ever going to be solved if the leaders of the two prestigious linkshells just keep bickering back and forth.

The general consensus of the "underlings", and I use that term only signify someone not being in charge of a linkshell, is either general apathy or a really strong desire to fix things. Does being a leader mean you always have to have the last word when someone is contesting your thought processes and opinons, (which through all this disagreement I would hope people are clear minded enough to realize that everyone is entitled to an opinion,) or questioning the validity of what X player(s) does in your linkshell in terms of .dat files, botting, whatever. Exactly who is this argument between?

Speaking of, the whole point of this thread wasn't about .dat files or botting or what the fuck ever related. It's another perspective thread about what happened last night. Why, if last night was something that needed to be discussed further, bring this up? I'm glad people have come to defend themselves, but if it's not going anywhere, someone has to draw the line and just stop. =/

As far as who killed Nidhogg in the end... Who fucking cares, drama would've happened despite who killed it. Even if FS killed it 100% someone would've probably said something lame, even if it was in linkshell chat only or whatever.


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I changed my .dat files so that instead of darters I get little mini nidhoggs.... I may not ever pull the "Real" one, but I always feel like a winner at the end...

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J... dude... that pic makes me sick. Its seriously like 1 pixel... that's just messed up...

Misharu, I know you don't bot bud, I'll stick up for you anyday of the week, count on it.


Thanks Shi, I was lookin for a new avatar SCORE!

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